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1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
May 9th, 2012 at 3:23pm
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Hi Folks: I'm a new member. I inherited from my Grandfather (dead for nearly 50 years now) a 30-40 Krag (If my limited understanding and research is correct) I can't seem to attach photo's for you to review. It is stamped: U.S. Springfield Armory 1894 - 4900 (assume serial number) There is no "M" designation, no other stamps or info on the rifle. From what i read, 1894 is not listed as a "variant" of the 1892 or other model krags? It has the trapdoor, missing bayonet, missing cleaning rod, etc. It has sentimental meaning, I want to get it cleaned up and kill a big game animal with it. It has not been fired for over 50 years at least. The front sight was replaced with a filed down buffalo head nickel, made in desperation by my grandfather while packed deep into the mountains in the late 1920's. I  hope you folks can share some info about this particular model. Is it a model 1894? Or was it made in 1894 for example, these are the questions I am starting with. Thanks for your help.
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #1 - May 9th, 2012 at 3:30pm
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Maybe I figured how to load a photo?
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #2 - May 9th, 2012 at 3:32pm
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can you load more than one photo per message?  I'll quit bugging you folks now.
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #3 - May 9th, 2012 at 5:33pm
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One of my Krags has a front sight blade made from an old silver (winged mercury) dime.  The blade made from a nickle would be wider and might be easier to see on a hunting rifle.

Your Krag is a Model 1892 made in Fiscal Year 1894.  The number is the serial number of the action.
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #4 - May 11th, 2012 at 11:42am
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What is the barrel length? Do you have an overall picture?
  
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2012 at 8:00pm
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Sorry, not at home to measure the barrel, but this pic will show it.  It appears full size.  Thanks
  
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2012 at 2:15am
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I once saw a trapdoor with a Krag sight mounted.  Now I can tally the reverse.

Your rifle is interesting in a bipolar fashion.  Incredibly so.

An unaltered 1892 with some truly bizarre alterations conducted in private hands.

The stock is worth more than an entire later Krag in ok shape.

I christen thee "roller coaster Krag."
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #7 - May 13th, 2012 at 3:26pm
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I've been asked by a couple of folks to add a few more pics to better determine the exact model and history of this Krag.  I've been told it's rough and needs re-finished and re-blued and I've been told NOT in any way to re-blue the metal, simply and carefully remove the paint splatter and clean and oil it.  It's pretty rough but I hate to modernize it. Thanks for the replies.

PS: On the worst/ fuzziest photo it shows a couple of metal pins or something odd on the left side of the bolt section, what are those? shims placed by someone after the fact? I can take a better photo later if necessary but if you folks know I am curious.  Thanks again
  
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Reply #8 - May 13th, 2012 at 3:50pm
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I quit being lazy and took a couple more pics of the little metal pins or whatever they are.  Is this normal or just another bastardization of this gun?  Thanks.
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #9 - May 13th, 2012 at 4:18pm
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Do not reblue or refinish!!!! The shims I believe you are talking about are either what is left of the magazine cut off or a pin shimmed in place to fill the groove to improve feeding.
This appears to be a very fixable Model 1892!! Wish I had inherited it!!
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #10 - May 14th, 2012 at 12:06am
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Am I nuts, or is the top of the front of the receiver dovetailed?  Someone must have had something mounted there at one time or another...  I'm also interested in the channel in the bottom of the forestock...  Did early Krags have a cleaning rod located there (ala Trapdoor)? 

I agree though - Don't modernize or re-blue...  It's absolutely fixable!
  
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Reply #11 - May 14th, 2012 at 12:37am
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psteinmayer wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 12:06am:
Did early Krags have a cleaning rod located there (ala Trapdoor)? 


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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #12 - May 14th, 2012 at 1:34am
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Would it mess it up to somehow carefully get the paint drippings off?  And curious, how would a trained Krag restorer "restore" this gun? And when i say clean it up, I meant other than getting the paint off it, to clean inside barrel, get the dust and grime off and oil the bolt, etc.  No blueing or staining.  But the paint drops seem awful.
  
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Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made?
Reply #13 - May 15th, 2012 at 4:20pm
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5MadFarmers...  I stand corrected...  I've not seen too many very early Krags, so I didn't know about the under-barrel cleaning rod.  Beautiful examples, I might add!

Mark Sam...  It certainly would be ok to remove the paint spots, but just be careful how you remove them, or what you use to do so...  I know that there are others who have removed paint...  Check out this thread: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); You might want to contact Kirk in a PM to ask him what he used to remove the paint.

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Reply #14 - May 16th, 2012 at 10:45pm
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psteinmayer wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 4:20pm:
5MadFarmers...  I stand corrected


Didn't see where you asserted anything to correct.  You asked a question and the picture answered it.

Cheers.
  
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