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1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? (Read 24845 times)

Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? May 9^th, 2012 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Hi Folks: I'm a new member. I inherited from my Grandfather (dead for nearly 50 years now) a 30-40 Krag (If my limited understanding and research is correct) I can't seem to attach photo's for you to review. It is stamped: U.S. Springfield Armory 1894 - 4900 (assume serial number) There is no "M" designation, no other stamps or info on the rifle. From what i read, 1894 is not listed as a "variant" of the 1892 or other model krags? It has the trapdoor, missing bayonet, missing cleaning rod, etc. It has sentimental meaning, I want to get it cleaned up and kill a big game animal with it. It has not been fired for over 50 years at least. The front sight was replaced with a filed down buffalo head nickel, made in desperation by my grandfather while packed deep into the mountains in the late 1920's. I� hope you folks can share some info about this particular model. Is it a model 1894? Or was it made in 1894 for example, these are the questions I am starting with. Thanks for your help.


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #1 - May 9^th, 2012 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	Maybe I figured how to load a photo?


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #2 - May 9^th, 2012 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	can you load more than one photo per message? I'll quit bugging you folks now.


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reincarnated KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 562 Joined: Mar 11^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #3 - May 9^th, 2012 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	One of my Krags has a front sight blade made from an old silver (winged mercury) dime. The blade made from a nickle would be wider and might be easier to see on a hunting rifle. Your Krag is a Model 1892 made in Fiscal Year 1894. The number is the serial number of the action.


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98src KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 160 Location: sevierville,tn Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #4 - May 11^th, 2012 at 11:42am	Print Post
	What is the barrel length? Do you have an overall picture?


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #5 - May 11^th, 2012 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Sorry, not at home to measure the barrel, but this pic will show it.� It appears full size.� Thanks


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15am	Print Post
	I once saw a trapdoor with a Krag sight mounted. Now I can tally the reverse. Your rifle is interesting in a bipolar fashion. Incredibly so. An unaltered 1892 with some truly bizarre alterations conducted in private hands. The stock is worth more than an entire later Krag in ok shape. I christen thee "roller coaster Krag."


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #7 - May 13^th, 2012 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	I've been asked by a couple of folks to add a few more pics to better determine the exact model and history of this Krag.� I've been told it's rough and needs re-finished and re-blued and I've been told NOT in any way to re-blue the metal, simply and carefully remove the paint splatter and clean and oil it.� It's pretty rough but I hate to modernize it. Thanks for the replies. PS: On the worst/ fuzziest photo it shows a couple of metal pins or something odd on the left side of the bolt section, what are those? shims placed by someone after the fact? I can take a better photo later if necessary but if you folks know I am curious. Thanks again


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #8 - May 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm	Print Post
	I quit being lazy and took a couple more pics of the little metal pins or whatever they are. Is this normal or just another bastardization of this gun? Thanks.


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Ned Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 525 Location: western catskills NY Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #9 - May 13^th, 2012 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Do not reblue or refinish!!!! The shims I believe you are talking about are either what is left of the magazine cut off or a pin shimmed in place to fill the groove to improve feeding. This appears to be a very fixable Model 1892!! Wish I had inherited it!!


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #10 - May 14^th, 2012 at 12:06am	Print Post
	Am I nuts, or is the top of the front of the receiver dovetailed? Someone must have had something mounted there at one time or another... I'm also interested in the channel in the bottom of the forestock... Did early Krags have a cleaning rod located there (ala Trapdoor)? I agree though - Don't modernize or re-blue... It's absolutely fixable!


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #11 - May 14^th, 2012 at 12:37am	Print Post
	psteinmayer wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 12:06am: Did early Krags have a cleaning rod located there (ala Trapdoor)?� (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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Mark Sam KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Location: S.e.idaho Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #12 - May 14^th, 2012 at 1:34am	Print Post
	Would it mess it up to somehow carefully get the paint drippings off? And curious, how would a trained Krag restorer "restore" this gun? And when i say clean it up, I meant other than getting the paint off it, to clean inside barrel, get the dust and grime off and oil the bolt, etc. No blueing or staining. But the paint drops seem awful.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #13 - May 15^th, 2012 at 4:20pm	Print Post
	5MadFarmers... I stand corrected... I've not seen too many very early Krags, so I didn't know about the under-barrel cleaning rod. Beautiful examples, I might add! Mark Sam... It certainly would be ok to remove the paint spots, but just be careful how you remove them, or what you use to do so... I know that there are others who have removed paint... Check out this thread: (You need to *Login* to view media files and links); You might want to contact Kirk in a PM to ask him what he used to remove the paint. Paul


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5MadFarmers Ex Member	Re: 1894 30-40 Krag. Model number or year made? Reply #14 - May 16^th, 2012 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	psteinmayer wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 4:20pm: 5MadFarmers...� I stand corrected Didn't see where you asserted anything to correct. You asked a question and the picture answered it. Cheers.


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