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New to Reloading...got a question
Feb 26th, 2013 at 1:55am
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I've been reading a lot about reloading for my Krag.  Up to now, I've shot sparingly with Wisconsin Cartridge Co. 150 gr. SP's.  As the ammo craziness continues, price has gone up to $25 a box, $47 for 40 rounds and $20 for shipping.  Too rich for my blood....so it's time to start reloading.

I found a Lee Loader for .30-40 for $25.00 and here's what I think I'm going to do:

Use Montana Bullet Works cast bullets with gas check 170 gr. RN over Alliant 2400 powder (on the used brass from Wisconsin).  The lead is heated alloy, Lyman mold @ .311".  From what I can find, it should leave the muzzel at 1600 fps. (Max load is 23.0 gr @ 1991.)

My question:  I that load safe?  Too weak?  Too strong?  Anyone have any experience with it?  The Alliant 2400 seems to be a pistol powder...but older manuals list it as OK for the Krag.

I was going to try IM 4895 or H 4895, but there's none in any of the local shops....but one guy has the 2400.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can tender.
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 2:07am
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Opps...this should read:

Use Montana Bullet Works cast bullets with gas check 170 gr. RN over 16 gr Alliant 2400 powder (on the used brass from Wisconsin).  The lead is heated alloy, Lyman mold @ .311".  From what I can find, it should leave the muzzel at 1600 fps. (Max load is 23.0 gr @ 1991.)

  

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Re: New to Reloading...got a question
Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 6:25am
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Actually, 2400 is a rifle powder, originally designed for small, intense cartridges such as the .22 Hornet. A charge of 16 grains is widely-accepted as a good choice for cast bullets of normal weight in .30-40 Krag. The following is quoted from the work of C.E. Harris:

"Sixteen Grains of #2400 Is The Universal Load . . . It is mild and accurate in any larger military case from a .30-40 Krag or .303 British up through a .30-'06 or 7.9x57, with standard-weight bullets of suitable diameter for the caliber.  This is my recommendation for anybody trying cast bullet loads for the first time in a military rifle without prior load development.    I say this because #2400 is not position sensitive, requires no fiber fillers to ensure uniform ignition, and actually groups better when you just . . . load the rifle and bang them off, rather than tipping the muzzle up to position the charge."
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 7:59am
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That is pretty much of a "standard" load for plinking, informal target shooting or general familiarization.  Today's 2400 is not quite the same as it was in days gone by, but that is not an issue for mild loads and bottle-necked cases. 

At some point, you will need to slug your bore. You may need to vary the lead alloy bullet diameter (i.e., use bullets from a different mould), but you are not at that point yet.

Are the bullets already lubricated?  If not, you will need to lube them. 

Go back to Page 4 of this Forum and read "Range Report Redux".  There is a link that will enable you to download the entire text of Phil Sharpe's 1937 "Complete Guide to Handloading".  It has 3 pages of loads for the .30-40, besides which it is the best intro to handloading ever.  It is a bit dated, but your Krag has not changed since 1937, and #2400 has not changed all that much.  IIRC, you will find pressure data for the load you are considering in Sharpe's book.
  
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Re: New to Reloading...got a question
Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:25am
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Thanks for the good advice.  Picking up my powder tomorrow, lead should arrive next week, and my bargain Lee reloader came today.  Now all I need is a little rubber hammer for the reloader kit and I'll be in business.

again, thanks for the help.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:56am
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You should be able to find some form of C-press that will do the same job as the Lee tool without using a mallet.  Check Ebay & garage sales.

Personally, I have used an old Lyman tong tool for reloading the Krag since 1965.  High tech is not necessary.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 1:32pm
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I would lose the rubber mallet too. They 'bounce' when hitting with it. I suggest a soft face dead blow mallet or a wooden/leather/plastic mallet instead.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:31pm
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You will want to check primers with that 16 gr 2400 load. That is a start load and depending on your brass and the depth of the rim cut in your chamber, it may be light enough to back primers out. If so, a bump up to 17 - 17.5 grs will serve you well. Lyman 49 lists 2400 range as 16 - 23 grs with that bullet. Your bullets are sized to .311 which is probably a good choice but you should slug the barrel to get an exact diameter. 22 BN is pretty hard for such a light load, albeit a fairly fast burner, so it may not obturate (expand in the bore) well. I prefer the slower powders with cast in a bottleneck cartridge but you will decide what works for you.

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Re: New to Reloading...got a question
Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2013 at 1:03am
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As others have stated, 16 gr of 2400 is the "standard" cast bullet load for .30-ish caliber rifles. I use 19 gr of 4759 which gives nearly identical ballistics. You should find good accuracy assuming the bullets fit correctly. As others stated, I would slug the bore first before deciding on the bullet size.
  
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Re: New to Reloading...got a question
Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:20pm
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gnoahhh wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 1:32pm:
I would lose the rubber mallet too. They 'bounce' when hitting with it. I suggest a soft face dead blow mallet or a wooden/leather/plastic mallet instead.


When I started loading 30-40 with a Lee Loader (around 1983 ish), I actually used a large plastic handled screwdriver as the mallet.  I used a tap hammer once and set off a primer trying to seat it, so I went back to the screwdriver until I finally got a plastic tipped mallet.  It scared the crap out of me when it happened, LOL!  Cheesy
  
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