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1896 Parkhurst
Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:06pm
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OK I changed the resolution on my camera. Here are a few pics. This was definitely installed on the rifle a very long time ago by someone who knew what they were doing.
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:21pm
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Fascinating! Hate to complain, but could you please redo the series with the lights turned on?  Smiley

I'm guessing one of two things:

(1) Prototype - wonder if it differs in any way from the "production" version? Do you have a clip?
(2) Old assembly of one picked up off the floor by an SA worker?

Certainly isn't one of the trial pieces from the 288xxx period.

Again - fascinating - thanks for sharing!
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:58pm
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d rail and Dick Hosmer:  I took the liberty of brightening up d rail's pictures.  This is really fascinating!  Mallory cautioned that the screw holding the 'Parkhurst Guide' might be a left-hand thread.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:05pm
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Questions:

1. Can these things be reproduced today?

2. How difficult to install on one of the plentiful altered Krags?

3. Could these be modified to use the British .303 chargers?
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm
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Thanks for lightening the pics for me! You can definitely see the detail better. I am new collecting Krags and the only book I have  Poyer's. He only mentions 1 prototype that was an 1892 and the Parkhurst was bolted to the receiver were as the test guns were dovetailed. Sources on the internet say they were riveted to the receiver. The screw holding it to the receiver is a standard  righty tighty.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:35pm
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In reviewing photos of the Parkhurst - Warren device in "The Krag Rifle Story", page 79, it appears Mallory and Olson used a photo of the Model 1892 'test rifle', as well as, two photos of a Model 1898 action bearing the device.  Model 1892 rifle #4070 was the Ordnance Dept. test rifle and was in the Smithsonian Institution, when Mallory Published (1979).
  d rail's photos of his device show a strong resemblance to the device on the Model 1892 in the photograph used by Mallory.  (IMHO)
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:51pm
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I have never had the opportunity to examine the 'inner workings' of a Parkhurst clip attachment.  My knowledge is limited to references.  Brophy, page 195, describes the "Parkhurst attachment riveted to receiver".  Mallory, page 79, has a picture of a Model 1898 receiver with the device 'screwed on' very much like d rail's rifle.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 9:33pm
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That's a big improvement! I've never seen one up close, but I believe the guide lip - which is slightly different than the normal one - is the riveted part being referred to. Had forgotten about 4070, wonder if there was another prototype somewhere in the process?
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 5:11pm
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I was looking through Poyer's book and found a photo of a Parkhurst equipped rifle and the magazine guide lip is different than on my rifle. Also found an old auction online for a Parkhurst carbine and the guide lip appears to be the same as mine. Saw a rifle on gunbroker that has the same guide lip as mine  (no Parkhurst). Do all Krags have a guide lip? It doesn't show in any of the exploded diagrams I've seen. Also found an old auction for one of the few surviving trial rifles and it said that the Parkhurst device was riveted to the receiver. Any idea how many of these still exist? Would it be worth it to replace the cut stock and barrel?
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:00pm
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d rail:  Actually, allowing for the difference in camera angle, the Parkhurst device pictured in Poyer's book looks very similar to your 3rd picture.  (BTW - S & S Firearms, in their 2012 catalog, had a Parkhurst clip for sale at $150)!
  You have a rare item that most of us have never had an opportunity to study.  My 'unsubstantiated hunch' is that in 1900, when the Parkhurst/Warren device was being manufactured for trial, over 1/3 of the U.S. Krags in Service were still pre-Model 1898.  I would be real surprised, if it did not occur to someone at Springfield, to try the device on a Model 1896 Krag.  (Just my opinion and hunch).  Personally, I would leave your Krag as it is;  no point in corrupting evidence.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:16pm
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In my 1974 copy of Joe DeChristopher's catalog he speaks of owning an 1898 Krag rifle (sn 289154) equipped with a "Parkhurst device". Perhaps one of you who know him should give him a shout and ask how his is device is attached. He also gives the SN's of six others he was able to examine. He might be able to shed some more light on the subject.   
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 4:06am
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d rail wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 5:11pm:
I was looking through Poyer's book and found a photo of a Parkhurst equipped rifle and the magazine guide lip is different than on my rifle. Also found an old auction online for a Parkhurst carbine and the guide lip appears to be the same as mine. Saw a rifle on gunbroker that has the same guide lip as mine  (no Parkhurst). Do all Krags have a guide lip? It doesn't show in any of the exploded diagrams I've seen. Also found an old auction for one of the few surviving trial rifles and it said that the Parkhurst device was riveted to the receiver. Any idea how many of these still exist? Would it be worth it to replace the cut stock and barrel? 


All Krags have guide lips - I think those for the Parkhurst device are supposed to be "different" ( a little squarer at the tip, IIRC). I have never heard that the clip-guide block itself was anything but screwed on, and, IIRC, at least some sources state the screw is LHT. I'm nearly positive that any riveting involved was on the little lip piece. 288-289xxx is the correct range for the real ones. Even though this recently discovered example was done LONG ago, and quite possibly at SA, I'm not we should automatically assume that the installation is 100% typical of the trial arms. Still fascinating, though.
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Reply #12 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 6:10pm
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their input, I've learned a lot. Unfortunately, these are very rare and there is not much info on them. I did read somewhere on the internet that not all the trial guns were in the 288,000-290,000 range, but you can't trust everything you read on the internet! Like butlersrangers said, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at SA had the piece of mind to see how it worked on an 1896.  So it can be documented, the serial # of my rifle is 95329. Thanks again Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 6:19pm
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d rail:  It would be interesting to see a picture of your Krag's stock, if it still is an original.  The workmanship of the inletting for the device would give some clue if it was Springfield Armory work.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 8:24pm
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Will these do?
  
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