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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 9:23pm
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It looks like everything was done in a very workman like manner.  Are there any markings or a Cartouche on the stock?  How was it sporterized?  (Barrel length, front sight, modification of fore-stock).
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:10am
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The barrel was cut to 25" and re-crowned, nicely done. A ramp front site was brazed on rather poorly, it leans to the left a little. The fore-end was cut in front of the lightening groove, nicely done. There's a crudely made barrel band that fits in the front handguard groove with a screw going through the bottom of the fore-end. The rear sling sling swivel groove was filled in with a small piece of birds-eye maple and about 1/2" of the butt was cut off (a little crooked) for a recoil pad which is hard and dried out. It looks like a skilled gunsmith did a few things to it and then Bubba got a hold of it  Cry. It does have a faint script proof and a faint J.S.A. cartouche with unreadable date possibly 1898 which was when this rifle was made.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:20am
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Is there any interest in a modern (CNC) version of the Parkhurst attachment?  One that would work with British chargers?
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 1:35am
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d rail:  Too bad about your butt stock being shortened for a recoil pad.  Otherwise, it would be a good candidate for restoration.  I personally think your altered stock gives added credibility to your Krag's Parkhurst device being installed at Springfield Armory.  But that's just MHO.  Great find and thanks for sharing it!


reincarnated:  Any Krag I own, that I would be shooting rapid fire in a Match, does not have blemishes that would allow me to consider adding such a practical device.  I would have to go with the type of 'chargers' made by Parashooter and psteinmayer.
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 1:53am
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Yes, It can be reproduced but would need to have one to make a mechanical drawing of it and show it to a friend to see what the cost would be per unit. I am sure it it be around 150-250 per unit unless there were a large order and then the price would then come down some but cant say for sure till I were to show it to them.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 5:14am
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It's a lot easier and less expensive to make and use one of parashooter's chargers.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 10:44am
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yes this is true, but some would pefer the Parkhurst cost be damed.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 11:15am
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While you're at it, see what it would cost to get us some new receivers made!   Just kidding, nobody would undertake that.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:43pm
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My money would go to high quality 'drop-in' Krag rifle and carbine stocks & hand-guards!  (Like the CMP 1903 Springfield stocks).
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #24 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm
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Dumb question coming here:  Does a Parkhurst device include something to guide the cartridges into the magazine well?  The way it looks to me, it just allows a stripper clip to be used.  That would allow the rounds to be forced down, but they still must make a left-hand turn to enter the well.  I'm just trying to wrap my head around the functionality of it.

Also, if someone modified his rifle to attach an aftermarket Parkhurst device, wouldn't that violate the "As Issued" rules of CMP competitions?
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #25 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:04pm
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As to the feed - that is why I believe the guide-lip is different, since the cartridges are coming in a precise path, as opposed to being tossed at random, the lip can be higher and more beveled to translate the downward push to a sideways slip.

As to the rules, I do not know - I'm fairly sure they'd have to accept a real Parkhurst, but would not be too surprised if they balked at a "Steinmayer Device".  Smiley
  
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Reply #26 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 7:52pm
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There doesn't appear to be a stop on the Parkhurst clip, like other stripper clips.  It appears to me that it just barely went in the slot, with perhaps the bevel on the front of the rear slot catching the spring of the clip, which some clips I've found images of, don't appear to have.  It looks as though the rear slot was meant to open the spring of the clip, or at least allow room for opening of it.  Now I see, thanks to OP's pic at just the right angle, it was made to open the spring of the clip and said spring has wings that would make for a positive stop.  A major redesign might be needed to make Enfield strippers work.  The ones I have are pretty stiff and require considerable force to get the rounds moving.  Steinmeyer device, I like that!
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #27 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm
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I'm sure I have read something about the device actually acting on the clip, as opposed to just being a guide slot and no more.

While the inletting does not appear to have been done in one pass of the cutter, it is certainly nice work! For that matter, I'd guess that the real ones are custom inletted as well - doubt that they would change the tooling setup for a couple of hundred pieces.

A similar case occurs with the 26" BoOF stocks, but simpler, all they had to do (in addition to NOT doing something) was crank the clamp over 4", with no cutter change-out required. The increased taper was likely done by just a little longer stint on the belt sander.

I don't know where this recent find fits into the chain of events, but IMHO it should be treated very kindly, and nothing done to it in a rush. Sort of a treasure, really - could (even if a lunchbox special) wind up being quite valuable. Of course, if it could be some sort of intermediate prototype between 4070 and the production guns, it could be almost priceless.
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #28 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 12:50am
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If a shooter were to show up at the match and the device were to be on a rifle, I can not see them not allowing you to shoot. The device as long as it is to the orgional specs should be allow. If they were to say it is no, then any rifle that had a after market or reproduction part should not be allowed to shoot. I would personally never do it to my Model 94 rilfe or Model 96 Carbine but if I were to keep my parts gun then I might would like to have one once I were to get all of the needed parts to bring it back to shooting condition.
  
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Re: 1896 Parkhurst
Reply #29 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 12:56am
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Does any one even have any striper clip for a Krag? enfield clips work for Krag ammo, but are not designed for the Parkhurst. I am sure if asked for the modification it could be done, but then it is no longer orginial issue part. This would then allow it to not be allowed  in ventiage matches.
  
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