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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	krag carbine Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:51am	Print Post
	Can anyone tell me what model this Krag is? The serial number is listed as in the 218XXX range which would make it an 1899, right? (the 1898's were in the 113,000 to the 139,000 range, correct? The stock also looks lengthened as the 1899 would be, but I am no expert. They are asking $1295 citing a bright bore with good rifling. Can anyone advise me on this carbine? Could it be a cut-down? thank you! Ken

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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #1 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14am	Print Post
	Carbines did not originally have sling swivels, but many have had them added - some officially, some not. What is going on at the front sight? Appears to have a "band" but is not the usual 1903 type - looks more like one of those "Major Parker's snap-on" short-range things? If the receiver is marked 1899, it could be a proper carbine, but IMHO, $1295 is full retail, no bargain.


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #2 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 6:36am	Print Post
	thank you. Photos are hard to get a good view of the front site. I totally overlooked the sling issue. thanks again. Ken


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: krag carbine Reply #3 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 7:59am	Print Post
	Picture shows poor clarity (Hmmm???).� Rear sight appears to be model 1902 Rifle sight to me. If I found the right listing, this is a cut-down rifle. Front sight could be salvage from early 1903 prototype.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #4 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	I did not try to find other pictures of the gun. Front sight is totally bogus, as is the stock which shows the pin ahead of the band (rifle feature) as opposd to the band-spring found on all carbines. A complete fake, HUGELY over-priced.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: krag carbine Reply #5 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	Dick is entirely correct.� This is a Krag Model 1898 Rifle cut down by civilians for Hunting.� Current value should be $300-350 for utility. This is something that has frustrated me since my youth:� Utility Krags being portrayed and priced as something Collectable by people who should know better. Ironically, that banded front sight base is interesting to me.� The blade is strangely positioned or distorted by shadow.� However, the base appears similar to 1901 Springfield proto-type. (My hunch is that Springfield made a quantity of these early front sight bases and they eventually ended up as scrap and were used by gun smiths or surplus gun dealers. I could be entirely wrong. But, that banded sight base is unusual and of good quality).


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #6 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	You guys are great. thank you


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #7 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	May I ask what you look for to determine that this carbine is a cut down? I would really like to learn how to see with a critical eye, and what I should be looking for. thanks Ken


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: krag carbine Reply #8 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 7:39pm	Print Post
	Some basics: 1.� A Krag Carbine will have a barrel exactly 22 inches (muzzle to closed-bolt face).� 2.� A solid Carbine barrel band held in place by a flat spring inletted into stock. 3.� A properly contoured muzzle crown and front-sight base brazed with subtle 'dove-tail' onto barrel. 4.� A Carbine rear sight known to have appeared on a given Carbine Model. 5.� A serial number close to a 'block' of known Carbines.� (Model 1899 marked receivers were built as Carbines). 6.� A stock that is not 'plugged' at the forearm tip.� A steel pin through the stock, in front of the barrel-band, indicates a cut-down rifle stock. � Go to the KCA Website Main page and select the tab "Photos" to see a lot of features and details.� Start a Krag reference Library, read and study.� Poyer's $20 Book is a cheap start. Some 1899 Carbine pics and 1896 pic to help:


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #9 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:05am	Print Post
	these are great and very helpful. thank you


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #10 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:12am	Print Post
	and I have to say that the 96 is a jaw dropping beauty!!


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: krag carbine Reply #11 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:22am	Print Post
	The model 1899 was a 'sporterized' carbine I was able to get original parts and restore. The model 1896 is not mine, sob.


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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #12 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 1:45am	Print Post
	Does this rear sight, barrel band and receiver look correct for a 1898 Carbine? The serial number is in the mid-120,000. thank you Ken

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kw64 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 38 Location: Vaughn Joined: Feb 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #13 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 2:02am	Print Post
	sorry, sent the posting before I finished my thought. to me the rear sight looks like a like a 1902 sight. Were 98 carbines ever retro-fitted with a later sight? thank you Ken


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: krag carbine Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2015 at 5:09am	Print Post
	It's possible - the sight appears to be a 1902C, but I don't like the "C".


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