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Mark_Daiute KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 242 Location: Newcastle Maine USA Joined: Jul 11^th, 2003 Gender:	Case Separation Nov 12^th, 2015 at 12:31am	Print Post
	Shooting the weekend before last I had a case separate at the neck. Some of that piece of case is in the very end of the chamber and maybe, just a little in the lead. I have tried and failed to remove it. Any ideas or help would be appreciated. I'm wondering if a .32 caliber cleaning jag might just slide down the bore but then fetch up and remove the piece of case. Thanks, Mark


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Case Separation Reply #1 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 12:52am	Print Post
	Mark - I suggest you drive a lead slug or Buckshot down the bore from the muzzle (Like you are slugging the bore). Some times that will catch enough case mouth to allow separated case section to 'knock loose'.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #2 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	Also, you could remove the bolt and use a pick or the turned end of a scribe to catch the neck and pull it out.


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RichWIS KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 56 Location: Corbin KY Joined: Jan 9^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #3 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	Have you tried using a new 30 cal brush, push past case mouth and then pull back out. This sometimes works. Think I have seen the broken shell extractors for the Krag for sale somewhere, perhaps someone here knows where, or may have one you could borrow.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Case Separation Reply #4 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	This requires great care, but, you can take an appropriately sized thread-tap, manipulate it with your finger-tips & needle-nosed pliers, so it gets a bite into the brass, then knock it out with a cleaning rod. I did this a couple of times with a .303 SMLE that had complete head separations with reloads. (To protect the exposed part of the chamber, you could wrap some of the tap with masking tape). I have never seen a case separate at the shoulder. It would be interesting to see pictures of that when it is removed.


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #5 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	I thought about Butlers R suggestion of using a tap. A 5/16 tap would be too small probably, an 8mm tap would be slightly larger. It might work. Trying to start the tap without scarring the chamber is scary especially with out a guide. I have access to a lot of machine tools here. If I was to try this, I would shorten the cartridge that this broke off from and drill a concentric hole (in a lathe) through the primer end just big enough to clear the tap body. This would get the tap started straight. To turn the tap, I would mill a 6mm slot in the end of a 5/8 bar, since getting a tap wrench that long and skinny would be difficult. To drive stuff out of the chamber I prefer dropping a piece of 1/4 bar stock from the muzzle end. Sometimes it takes several drops but it seem to me less likely to scratch the bore. I may be more of a chicken than Butlers R, if I did not have the tools to do as described I would take it to a gunsmith that has a lathe and mill.


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Case Separation Reply #6 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* to view media files and links) If you have a GI 30/06 broken case extractor, it should do the job unless the fragment is stuck tightly. Otherwise, take the advice you've gotten elsewhere and pour a Cerrosafe chamber cast to haul out whatever's in there without the risk of chamber damage inherent in any approach with sharp-edged hardened tools. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) Example of stubborn separated case pulled with chamber cast. (Ignore the other stuff, not relevant to this topic.)


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Case Separation Reply #7 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 5:36am	Print Post
	To me, the most interesting aspects of Mark Daiute's case neck separation is: 1. Why did it happen? & 2. Where in the case neck/shoulder area, did it happen? It will be interesting to hear how things turn out. It would also be interesting to see photos of the case and neck section (and chamber cast, if he goes that route). I am not trying to encourage 'Bubba' behavior in suggesting a Tap as an improvised 'stuck-case remover'. Years ago it worked for me in carefully removing .303 British and .310 Cadet cases that had head separations. At the time, I had little recourse to other solutions. Attached, is a photo showing how a 5/16" Tap can get a 'bite' in an expanded .30 cal. case neck. A .308 case can be crimped on the shank to serve as a 'drive-shaft'. A sheet metal screw in the flash hole would facilitate turning the Tap a minor amount with a screwdriver or nut driver. As Parashooter and FredC state, this is a risky route to go.


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Mark_Daiute KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 242 Location: Newcastle Maine USA Joined: Jul 11^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #8 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	good morning all. I did not try the tap method described above, I did try brushes, tight brushes and so forth. I ended up pouring Cerro Safe into the chamber. My mistake was going off hunting with my brother and letting the Cerro Safe cure in the chamber. Bad mistake. Should have pushed it out after 30 minutes not 3 hours. When I returned I tried tapping the chamber cast out and of course it would not budge. I ended up melting the Cerro Safe out of the chamber in stages and finally hammered out the bronze brush with a patch that was acting as my plug. I'll not hide anything from you all, I'll lay my indiscretions bare. I beat pretty hard on my cleaning rod, I knew I should wait and get a brass or steel rod but I was not going to let this rest till the obstruction was out of the chamber. I was not patient and the hardware store was closed. I still have my Dewey cleaning rod but that nice handle that swiveled is no more. I discovered the offending case neck on the floor and the rifle is now up and running again. A lot of lessons learned here and thanks for all the help. From here on out a brass or steel rod will be residing next to my reloading bench. Mark


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Case Separation Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Mark: Glad your Krag is up and running. It is curious that the case neck separated in front of the shoulder. That was a tough one!


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Mark_Daiute KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 242 Location: Newcastle Maine USA Joined: Jul 11^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #10 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	mY THANKS to all for hanging in there with me on this one and thanks for all the great ideas. Be well, shoot straight and above all, Love a Krag today.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Case Separation Reply #11 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	Mark_Daiute wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Be well, shoot straight and above all, Love a Krag today. Amen to that Mark!


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