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Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:08am
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I recently purchased a krag serial #5194 is it a carbine?  new to krags
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:34am
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Krag #5192 would have to have been built as a model 1892 rifle. It would have been built around Oct. 1894, before the Krag carbine came to be.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:18am
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can u tell me what I have ?&approx. value paid $180
  
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Re: i recently purchased a krag serial#5194 is it a ca
Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:55am
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As Chuck said, it is apparently (since you asked if it was a carbine the barrel must be short) a Model 1892 rifle, made in 1894, which has been cut down for hunting and is no longer original, if the barrel is less than 30" long.

As to the price, it all depends on whether or not the seller knew anything about what he had. You either got a flat-out steal, or, it must be a really ugly job of shortening. If you could post some pictures, we can give you a much better idea.

I will say that it would have to be a real disaster to not be worth at least twice what you paid, just for whatever salvageable parts might be on it.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 11:16pm
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I will send pictures overall krag is in good shape worked done looks to be amory
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:38am
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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:45am
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Here are some pictures
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 5:14am
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'th' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. I think I forgot my manners on my first response.

It appears to me from your photos that you have what is referred to as a 'Bannerman Sporter'.

Francis Bannerman & Sons was a huge New York surplus arms dealer. The company was in business from the 1870s to the 1950s. Bannerman sold military surplus to hunters, collectors, and could even arm countries. The old Bannerman catalogs (and reprints) are an amazing source of information and some misinformation. Eventually for Safety, Bannerman built an island warehouse and home, 'Bannerman's Arsenal', far up the Hudson River. They continued to have a N.Y. Store.

Bannerman sold a lot of surplus Krags and Krag parts cheap. When Krags ran out, they cobbled together parts guns. When Krag Stocks and barrels were gone, they patched and improvised with 1903 Springfield Stocks. They also shortened and re-chambered 1903 Springfield barrels.

I believe you have a model 1892 Krag rifle that was updated by Springfield to model 1896.

After U.S. Service, your rifle barrel was shortened and a 1903 Springfield banded-sight was put on. Your rear sight is the 1902 Krag rear-sight (damaged). Your Krag appears to have been put into an altered 1903 Springfield Stock, as done by Bannerman's. Such Krags are a curiosity, but, have little value beyond utility and parts. Few collectors will want one. (Attached pictures of 'Bannerman rifle' and 'Bannerman Island' ruins).
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 6:35am
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There is currently a 'Bannerman Sporter' Krag listed on GunBroker. The photo of the bottom of the stock shows how the 1903 magazine opening was plugged to utilize the stock on a Krag.
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 2:33pm
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Thanks for the info is it worth anything?
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:33pm
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Depends on your perspective...  Any Krag is worth having to some of us who love Krags.  Yours should be a fun shooter, and great for hunting as well.  Some only see the sum of it's parts.  Sporters have their place in the world, just as collectable Krags (I have both).
  
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Re: i recently purchased a krag serial#5194 is it a ca
Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:13pm
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'th' - It is worth $180 for play and parts value. Krags are Fun, but, it is easy to get 'burned'.

Your Krag is a good learning project and shootable. I recommend You spend $20 and buy Joe Poyer's book, "The American Krag Rifle and Carbine", if you wish to start your Krag Education.

(p.s. - Yesterday, the GunBroker 'Bannerman' sold for $359, but, it had some very valuable parts on it: 1892 extractor and bolt-sleeve/safety, 1898 sight - possibly carbine, and #14XX receiver with full length barrel. I do not see your 'Bannerman' having any real good Parts).
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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:35pm
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I paid $180 guess I broke even I like it interesting looking rifle
  
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