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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Apr 25^th, 2016 at 1:41pm	Print Post
	The bolt on my 1894 is "locked" in the full retracted position. I have not been able to remove the bolt. My rifle has the Redfield sight and I wonder if there could be an issue with the mag cutoff. I've seen a few videos on Krag disassembly but not any good ones. Any recommendations?


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #1 - Apr 25^th, 2016 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	For a book that has info on disassembly of various guns the NRA has a fairly good guide "Firearms Assembly .... Rifles and Shotguns" on You Tube you take your chances so much bad info out there. I took my rifle to the house so I can not look at it right now, but I do not remember the cut off lever even being close to the bolt. The ejector could be stuck with gunk and getting in the way of the bolt or the bolt it self could be all gunky. If it is gunk I would use a solvent judiciously and sop up any extra so it does not run on to the stock till you got it free. If you do disassemble it after you get the bolt free use good gunsmithing quality screw drives so you do not mess up the slots in the screws. Chinese, poor quality household or worn out screw drivers mess up so many screws. Make sure the sight is not over reaching the bolt and binding, not familiar with the sight at all to know if that is possible.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #2 - Apr 25^th, 2016 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	You mentioned that you have a Redfield sight. Did you loosen the elevation screw and raise the sight? If not, then do that first. Then, lift up on the tip of the extractor slightly with your finger and rotate the bolt to the left and extract the bolt to the rear. The mag cutoff lever (using a Redfield, you shouldn't have one installed) does not affect the bolt in any way. Install the bolt in reverse fashion: insert the bolt and once it's in the rearward position, rotate the bolt until the extractor is back in position in the top of the receiver.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #3 - Apr 25^th, 2016 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	Don't have my hands on a rifle just now, but could the bolt have become uncocked? I once was shown a Remington-Lee which was "jammed" and that was the cause. Of course, removing/raising the sight bar so as to be able to lift the extractor would be a must - perhaps the OP is not aware of this?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #4 - Apr 25^th, 2016 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	'bote' - A photo of your Krag "problem" would allow others to help with more effective advice. The Magazine Cut-Off lever should have no bearing on bolt removal and replacement. (It makes no contact with the Bolt). There are several different Redfield receiver-sight models for the Krag ('No-Drill' and 'Drill & Tap'). If you still have the cut-off lever on your Krag, I assume you do not have a 'no-drill' Redfield model. These models utilize the hole for the cut-off shaft, when properly installed. I believe all the 'drill & tap' Redfield sights mount on the right-side of the receiver. **(Just a Late Thought - If a sight 'mounting-screw' is too long, it would interfere with the Bolt).** All brands and models of receiver mounted 'peep' sights (for the Krag) will require the elevation slide to be moved or removed to take the bolt out of the rifle. As Fred C. suggested, when inserting a Krag bolt into the action, it is not unusual for the bolt to 'hang up' on the lobe on the ejector. All that is required is to lift the front tip of the ejector to allow the bolt to slide over the lobe on the rear of the ejector. This is just a hunch, but, I suspect you were in the act of removing the Bolt from your Krag. Your extractor probably got hung up and fouled with your Receiver-Sight. Possibly, the 'bolt-sleeve' has rotated on the rear of your bolt putting the striker-assembly in the 'un-cocked' position. (If this has happened, the 'firing-pin' will be visible, projecting at the bolt-face). You are trapped - in a State of Limbo - Bolt totally out of position and jammed! If this is the situation: 1. remove the elevation slide from your Redfield sight (or temporarily take the whole sight off). This may now allow you to manipulate the bolt - take it out or put it back. 2. If it is necessary to Recock your striker mechanism, firmly hold the bolt handle while pulling back the striker-knob and rotating it clock-wise.
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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #5 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:50am	Print Post
	Thanks for the responses. I was supposed to change out the dryer element last night but couldn't keep my hands off the Krag. I removed the Redfield 70K and the bolt came out just fine. I can't find anything broken or worn with the exception of the ejector. It has no mag cutoff but I understand this is not necessary. I completely disassembled the rifle and cleaned 100+ years of crud. It has a really shiny bore. With the exception of a crack in the stock, it is almost perfect. I have only 16 rounds through it but it shows promise as vintage match contender.


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FredC KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 759 Location: Dewees, Texas Joined: May 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #6 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	It is funny how Krags keep calling to you! On mine while I was working on it leaving out the magazine cut off led to poor feeding and damage to the case rims. You probably will want to replace it or install something that resembles the end of the cutoff in the pass through position. Not damaging cases may become even more of an issue if ammo shortages get worse.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #7 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	bote wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:50am: I have only 16 rounds through it but it shows promise as vintage match contender. Be advised: If this rifle is sporterized in any way, it will not be legal for Vintage Matches under CMP rules (A Redfield rear sight is an absolute no). Now that's not to say you can't shoot it in Vintage Matches. I shoot once a month at Kalamazoo Rod and Gun Club, and they do allow sporterized rifles with the exception that you can't shoot for score. If you intend to shoot in Vintage Matches for score, you will have to return it to "As Issued" condition, which includes a full stock, handguard, and original rear sight (any of the Krag rear sights will do so long as you have the appropriate handguard). Also, if it's cut down, that would require a new barrel to boot. If it is sporterized, and you really want to shoot in sanctioned matches, you may consider keeping it as a fun shooter/hunting rifle, and looking for an As Issued Krag for matches. BTW, there is no shortage of people who can help you get started shooting your Krag in Vintage Matches (including myself).


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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	This one has been sporterized but our club has a 100yd vintage match monthly. Three classes with everything ranging from trapdoors to ARs. I am looking for an original Krag but not sure what I want, new barrel, etc. I read that the 1894 Krags were commonly updated. Which mag cutoff would be best?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #9 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	'bote' - Actually, any of the various Krag magazine cut-offs will work in your 1894 dated action. During your rifle's history, it was probably changed from the top one in my photo to the middle one. (The bottom cut-off is an 1898). The middle cut-off is pretty easy to find and does not cost much (around $15). Since you will not really be using the cut-off, except to smooth cartridge feed, its totally a matter of preference and convenience. On early cut-offs, the lever was 'down' to feed cartridges. About 1897, the function was changed, so that lever is 'up' to feed from the magazine. The polished side of the lever alerts your Officers that you have a 'Repeater'!


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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #10 - Apr 27^th, 2016 at 11:38am	Print Post
	Thanks Butlersrangers. I put it back together last night and it functions perfect. Not sure what happened, probably one of the scenarios you described. I just wasn't familiar enough with the action to identify. What happened was this; I had loaded and fired 12 rounds formed from 303Brits the day before just to see how the performed. They did great so I loaded 100 with different bullets. After four rounds, a 220 RN wouldn't chamber. I removed the rounds and then the bolt locked in the rear position. You wouldn't happen to have a pic of a mag cutoff modified for the Redfield 70k would you?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #11 - Apr 27^th, 2016 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	'bote' - The "modification" was simply cutting the lever off of the cut-off shaft and inserting the altered shaft into its hole in the receiver wall. Caution - The shaft has to be oriented with the flat side down, so that cartridges can feed. (You can see the 'cut-off tip' in my photo of the Krag action with the side-plate removed). Any round metal rod or nail turned to proper diameter, filed to shape and cut to length will serve. Myself, I would just spatula some J.B. Weld into the end of the cut-off groove to eliminate the 'speed bump'! (Williams Gunsight instructions explain process for altering a Krag 'cut-off lever'- FWIW).


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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #12 - Apr 28^th, 2016 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	I'll probably get a cutoff just to have one. The ones I found are in the $25 range. My normal sources for milsurp parts don't have any Krag stuff. Can you recommend a good source?


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #13 - Apr 28^th, 2016 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	PM an address to me and I can send you a spare (1896 style) one. Welcome to the Forum!


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bote KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 133 Location: Kentucky Joined: Apr 18^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Recommendation on Krag Dissassembly Guide? Reply #14 - May 5^th, 2016 at 11:59am	Print Post
	Thank you so much for the magazine cutoff! I have given it to a machinist to reproduce so I don't have to destroy an original part.


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