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CDY KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 13^th, 2016	"J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Oct 13^th, 2016 at 2:13am	Print Post
	Apologies up front, but I just cant find the answer to a pretty simple question. I just purchased a 1898 Krag. On the left side, just to the left of the standard JSA 1901 cartouche is a stand alone "J". What does this mean? thanks in advance.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 3:19am	Print Post
	Junker? Made in Japan? Captured by Jose at San Juan? Sorry, just couldn't resist!!!! Welcome!!! One thing is pretty clear - it was almost certainly not applied at the Armory. Beyond that it could be almost anything that might have meant something to someone for some reason at some time in the last 120 years. A more common marking at that spot is a pair of large capital letters (HH and JJ known) next to a small Ordnance Dept. seal. No real data on that either.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #2 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 3:55am	Print Post
	'CDY' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. A picture of you stock marking would be interesting to see. FWIW - Occasionally, a Krag stock will be seen with an extra letter, letters, or even 'crossed ordnance cannon'. It is possible these poorly understood extra marks indicate some type of 'rebuild' work (at Springfield, Benicia, Rock Island, or Manila) from 1908 to 1918. The meaning may have been lost and hopefully will one day be verified. I have yet to see anything real sure and definitive in print. (some noted examples):


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #3 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 6:40am	Print Post
	At one time - not sure if it extended into the Krag period - a large "C" stood for "condemned", meaning that the part had been surveyed and deemed unfit for use, or for further service, in case of a failure in use.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #4 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	Here is an example that I think could be the 'condemned stamp' that Dick Hosmer mentioned.


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CDY KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 13^th, 2016	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #5 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	thanks for all the quick responses fellas. I will get a couple of pics up when I get home tonight. The J actually looks very professional, much like the "A" stamp pic that was posted. I have found a few more pics out there on Google that look the same as my rifle..so I am guessing it must have been a process mark at some point of the rifles like (and return to the depot). here is a pic that found on google. check out upper right.


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CDY KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 13^th, 2016	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #6 - Oct 13^th, 2016 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	and the actual stock pic...


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CDY KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 13^th, 2016	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #7 - Oct 14^th, 2016 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	and another one I found today from an auction site a couple years ago...looks like the same stamp used.


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madsenshooter KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 1079 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #8 - Oct 14^th, 2016 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	I have a cut down 92/96 that has your J stamp. If anyone ever figures out if it has any meaning, let me know.


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CDY KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 13^th, 2016	Re: "J" Cartouche along with JSA 1901 Reply #9 - Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:38am	Print Post
	Loaded up about 50 rounds today, 150 grain RN with 40 Grains IMR 4895. at 100 yards, was hitting 4 inch clays with ease. Such a beautiful action.


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