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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	1898 carbine or not Aug 16^th, 2017 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	hello all, I am new to the krag and I find the research interesting, I have an old krag but don't know if it is correct the serial #is 278480, on the receiver is marked 1898, with the cartouche on the stock of 1900 very faint. it has I believe a 1901 sight marked with C's, the barrel is 22" with the front sight that it looks dovetailed. Any help out there if it is a real carbine?


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #1 - Aug 16^th, 2017 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	Howdy. Welcome to the forum and to the wonderful world of Krags! The serial number is far beyond the known range of 1898 Carbines. Not to scare you... but the 1898 carbine was often faked to increase the value of a Krag. Is it possible that the marking says 1899? (Sometimes, numbers can be struck odd so as to look like a different number). A good clear picture of the left side of the receiver showing the markings, rear sight, front sight post mounting, and muzzle will tell much. An overall picture of each side would also help.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #2 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 4:19am	Print Post
	How about a few shots of the front sight, either in the open air, or on a white spot? That s/n could be an 1899 Carbine - but absolutely NOT an 1898.


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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #3 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 10:24am	Print Post
	See attached pictures
	« Last Edit: Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:13pm by dgoerner »

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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #4 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	when I look through the magnifying glass I can make out on the stock 1900


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #5 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	Well, that's definitely "1898", so that means the arm is NOT a "real, original" Model 1898 Carbine. High s/n is in the 139K range, though some people are more generous at 150K, which I do NOT believe is correct. By your number thay had already used the Model 1899 marking for carbine receivers for quite some time. You MAY have an original carbine barrel, but it seems like something is not quite right - profile-wise - at the tip of the stock? Is there a splice under the band?


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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #6 - Aug 17^th, 2017 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	I will check when I get back tonight. thanks


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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #7 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	looks like 1 piece


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Philngruvy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 32 Location: Pensacola, North Carolina Joined: Aug 17^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #8 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	hello, I am new to this forum and also new to Krags. I just bought a Model 1898 and it has a 22" barrel with a front sight that looks exactly like yours. I know that mine was sporterized and I assume the barrel was cut down to 22". I purchased a front barrel band with bayonet lug to try to restore it as close to original as possible and the diameter of the barrel is greater than the barrel band which confirms that the barrel was cut down because it makes sense that with the taper of the barrel, it would be a greater diameter 8" farther back from the muzzle. Could you measure the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle and compare to what the diameter of a 30" barrel is at the muzzle. This might confirm that you have a cut down rifle barrel , not a carbine barrel. Ron

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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #9 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	That won't work. Unlike some other arms which do have different tapers, the Krag carbine barrel IS (dimensionally) the rear 22" of the 30" rifle barrel, so the muzzle will always be thicker, whether legit OR whacked.


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dgoerner KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 16^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #10 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	is it possible I have an 1899 but was not overstruck. the serial number has it made in 1900, the stock cartouche is 1900. would someone go to that much trouble, to buy a carbine stock, and barrel with all the hardware, and put on a carbine rear sight


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 1898 carbine or not Reply #11 - Aug 18^th, 2017 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	As I stated before... 1898 Carbines HAVE been faked, and some very convincingly. It's possible that you have a carbine barrel installed on a rifle receiver. Or it's possible that someone did a good job of reattaching the sight post, although you can usually tell. My guess would be that someone replaced the rifle barrel and stock with a carbine barrel and stock. Mr. Hosmer would be the real expert here... and you can take his advice to the bank! Is the sight a Carbine sight? Look at the picture page. There are examples of every type of Krag sight. 1901 Rifle sights are definitely different, and fakes can be easy to spot.


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