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jarheadljh KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2017	Need help with carbine ID Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Hi all brand new here. Around year 2000ish I picked up a Krag carbine from an antiques dealer because it was in the movie Rough Riders. I have one box of ammo through it and have stripped it down about ten years ago to check for below the woodline pitting and didn't find any. It looks like an 1899 carbine. The receiver is dated 1898 with a serial# starting 310XXX which according to Bowers puts the manufacturing year at 1901. There are n car touches on the wood. There are two fills in the stock where it looks like after-market sling swivels had been installed but I think somewhere along the line someone refinished the stock. Where one cartouche might have been seems to have sanding marks. So just what have I got? EDIT: see photos \/ below \/
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98src KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 160 Location: sevierville,tn Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #1 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:10am	Print Post
	It is a cut down rifle. No 1898 carbines in that serial range. Is the sight marked with a C anywhere and does the leaf go to 23?


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jarheadljh KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2017	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:27am	Print Post
	Nope. The only thing that could possibly be considered a c is on the front barrel band, which looks more like a horseshoe, The sight is only graduated to 2K, not 2300. Was planning on hanging it on a wall but I might need to sell it soon. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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jarheadljh KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2017	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #3 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:43am	Print Post
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jarheadljh KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2017	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #4 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 5:04am	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* to view media files and links) Have been going off of this guide, but this thing doesn't seem to conform to any single one of them, The 1899 carbine can in fact have an 1898 receiver, but it should have an overstrike on the "8" with a "9'". On the other hand the front band is wrong for a 1898 rifle, as is the rear sight I think. To add a further wrinkle: (You need to *Login* to view media files and links) M1898 CARBINE 5000 MANUFACTURED M1898 CONVERTED CARBINE 3000 MANUFACTURED M1906//1899 CONVERTED CARBINE, PHILIPPINE CONSTABULARY 5002 MANUFACTURED M1899 CARBINE FIRST MODEL, 1896 9000 MANUFACTURED M1899 CARBINE SECOND MODEL, 1898 16000 MANUFACTURED M1899 CARBINE THIRD MODEL, 1901 2000 MANUFACTURED I am genuinely stumped. I got the gun almost 20 years ago and I'm not entirely sure what it is. The closest guess I have is that it is an 1898 rifle converted to an 1899 carbine.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 6:31am	Print Post
	'jarheadjh' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. It would be highly questionable that Krag, #310218, was assembled by Springfield Armory as a carbine. It appears to be a mixture of rifle and carbine parts that someone, (surplus dealer, gunsmith, or hobbyist), has put together. It is likely your action would have originally been used for a model 1898 rifle, assembled around January or February, 1901. In the Springfield Research Service data (SRS) that Frank Mallory included in 'The Krag Rifle Story', 2nd edition, model 1898 rifles, #310210 and #310228, were issued January 15, 1907, to the U.S. Naval Academy. Since your rifle's number is not listed in SRS, it is unlikely it went to the USNA. It does appear that your Krag now wears a real carbine barrel and stock. Your Stock appears to be a heavily sanded carbine Stock of the 1899 type. The forearm tip has been shortened and reshaped. The barrel-band is the 1899 carbine type. The "U" on the band is an assembly aid. It goes on the right-side of the Arm. Your rear sight is a rifle sight. Your front sight base appears Armory installed on the barrel, but the blade is installed backwards. IMHO - No mystery here. It is a put together 'parts gun'. It should be a fun shooter. p.s. - Bower's is a terrible Krag reference source.


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jarheadljh KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2017	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2017 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	So shooter grade with mixed parts.


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Need help with carbine ID Reply #7 - Dec 10^th, 2017 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Maybe it's just me... but something looks suspicious about the end of that barrel, almost (at least to me) like the barrel finish doesn't match starting just behind the sight post. In addition, there's that odd blotch on the side. Perhaps the sight post was welded or brazed on and the end of the barrel was overheated. Just an observation.


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