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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Model 1896 rifle taking shape Feb 20^th, 2018 at 2:24am	Print Post
	This project started with a trade for a model 1896 action with full length barrel and no wood. Soon after obtaining the full length barreled/action, I got a nice deal on a 'cut-down' model 1896 Sporter, 'housed' in a good hand-guard and stock worthy for 'stretching'. With spare parts I've accumulated in recent years and a Schwartz replica forearm, I figure I have about $350 invested in this project. I've been cutting the wood and fitting things together. It is now ready for stock/forearm pinning and gluing, final stain & finish of forearm, and final re-assembly.
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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #1 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 2:28am	Print Post
	I will do final pictures when all is done, re-assembled and ready for the Range.


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:35am	Print Post
	Nice color match! I've found that a light French polish job on new wood does a fair imitation of the handling-sheen we often see on old wood.


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Suredan KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 46 Location: Texas Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2018 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #3 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:46am	Print Post
	That looks ready good; the stain on the forearm matches nicely. Is there any advantage to making the cut where you did as opposed to the at the rear of the band? Would like to see the details of how you actually spliced on the new forearm. Looking forward to seeing the finished project.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 5:32am	Print Post
	'Suredan' - My assumption has been that the splice is stronger (in the vertical plane) by having both the original wood and new wood supported by the barrel-band. 'Parashooter' - What exactly is a "French polish job"?
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olderthansome KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 131 Location: Michigan Joined: Mar 10^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Parashooter wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:35am: Nice color match! I've found that a light French polish job on new wood does a fair imitation of the handling-sheen we often see on old wood. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a "light" French Polish job. That would seem to be an oxymoron.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	butlersrangers wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 5:32am: 'Suredan' - My assumption has been that the slice is stronger (in the vertical plane) by having both the original wood and new wood supported by the barrel-band. 'Parashooter' - What exactly is a "French polish job"? I have always felt that centering the joint under the band covers most traces of YOUR work in the area, in addition to providing alignment and a bit of 'protection' to the joint. Whatever you do internally can be the same regardless of where the splice line is placed. I would think that getting the pin hole in precisely the right place might be tricky. I have never stretched a forend, but have plans to do a couple in the future, one being 389182, the "more original" of my 26" rifles. Or, I may cut down my 1902-dated stock, though it bothers me to do so, even for the 'greater good'. Of course, if I go that route, rather than putting in a plug, I'll cut a section out of the stock, rather than simply cutting it off, and then make a splice under the upper band. That way, ALL exposed surfaces will be SA work and patina.


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #7 - Feb 20^th, 2018 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	butlersrangers wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 5:32am: 'Parashooter' - What exactly is a "French polish job"? "French polish" is a technique of applying shellac by rubbing (with lubrication) rather than brushing or spraying. It takes some practice, but can be used for anything from an extremely thin layer to a deep, mirror finish. For emulating the subtle "handling sheen" we often see on vintage oil-finished walnut military gunstocks, only a very thin application is needed. PM me if you want instruction and I'll send you my number to call.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #8 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 12:24am	Print Post
	Thank you 'Parashooter'. I did find a bit of info. by searching online on 'French finish' and got some details. I'm going to experiment a bit on an old Ithaca stock that has some bare spots. I appreciate your suggestion and willingness to guide me through it if needed.


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #9 - Feb 21^st, 2018 at 2:30am	Print Post
	I deviate from the usual French polish technique by using raw linseed as the pad lubricant (and commercial pre-mix "orange/amber" shellac). Linseed blends better with the existing oil finish than olive or mineral oil. Walnut oil seems nice, too - but probably only for sentimental reasons. One big advantage of shellac is that mistakes are easily removed with alcohol. (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)


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olBEAR KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 43 Location: Pacific NorthWest Joined: Feb 8^th, 2018 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	Did you drive this retaining pin out. And if so, which direction? Or doesn't it make a difference? Thanks olBEAR


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Yes, I salvaged the pin. I drove it left to right. (I'm not sure it matters). I would not remove one from a stock unless necessary or unimportant. The Wood could adhere to pin and 'chip' slightly around hole.


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olBEAR KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 43 Location: Pacific NorthWest Joined: Feb 8^th, 2018 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 10:27pm	Print Post
	Thank you for your response olBEAR


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #13 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	I epoxy glued my forearm to the original (cut-down) model 1896 stock. I cleaned things up, applied a last coat of stain, and re-assembled. I am letting glue and stain 'cure' for a while before trying the 'light French finish' Parashooter suggested to match sheen of age & use. I made a dowel out of a piece of Carriage-Bolt. The threads were slathered with epoxy and extend into the 'lightening-cuts'. This is strong, but, ugly in the hidden interior. If I were to do it over, I would probably just use a hardwood dowel.


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Zgun KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 80 Location: Massachusetts Joined: Jan 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Model 1896 rifle taking shape Reply #14 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	You did that right in my book Chuck. The threaded bolt is a much stronger repair vs a dowel rod. Given enough room I use 2 screws and I have switched to acura glass instead of expoxy. That stuff is awesome.


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