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Misc. Annual Reports and documents
May 5th, 2018 at 7:26pm
 
Looks like it will work. Here is more:
1893
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More to come later. Ned, let me know if this is working out. thanks
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Re: Misc. Annual Reports
Reply #1 - May 5th, 2018 at 10:21pm
 
Here is the rest of what I found for now. Hopefully, it will satisfy most for a while.
1899
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This has been the mother lode for me. I don't know how much time I'll be going thru these, it's back to work Monday. But I'm looking forward to posts as others decipher some of this stuff.
  
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Re: Magazine Rifle
Reply #2 - May 5th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Here are reports, there are probably more, couldn't find 1892 reports. Maybe later. This is a test for 1891. If it works I'll post more.
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Smaller bore info
Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2018 at 10:13am
 
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Here is a link to some more extensive information on this subject matter from the "Journal of the Military Service Institution of the United States" from 1899. It also has some good info why the Krag-Jorgensen design was originally thought to be superior to the Mauser design. The article of interest is titled "Notes On Small-Arms and Ammunition" starting on page 28. I'm sure others will be able to pluck out gems from this writing better than myself. The whole article is interesting and is post Spanish-American War so it has insight on actual battle use.

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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2018 at 12:06pm
 
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Manual of Arms
Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2018 at 12:00am
 
Here is a link to "Infantry Drill Regulations. The Manual of Arms, Adapted to the Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30." printed in 1897. Another one to download as a PDF and put in your personal electronic library.

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1909 Appropriations Committee
Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2018 at 2:23am
 
Some dry stuff....but with some tidbits on Krag Jorgensen numbers in the Army. Also, The Great War was not on the horizon. It was interesting on what the government thought was needed for some future war. This House Committee was trying to figure out what needed to be appropriated to the Army for fiscal year 1910/1911. This is part of the hearing with Brig. Gen. William Crozier, Chief of Ordnance, U.S. Army.

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Re: 1909 Appropriations Committee
Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2018 at 8:10pm
 
Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing.
  
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Re: 1909 Appropriations Committee
Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
It is interesting.

A photo of Maj.-Gen. Crozier:
  
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Re: 1909 Appropriations Committee
Reply #9 - Oct 19th, 2018 at 11:52pm
 
Did you notice that General Crozier referred to our rifle as the "Krag Jorgensen rifle" and by no other name? Perhaps due to the questioner using that term first and he continued to use it. Perhaps he wasn't as sensitive as those before that called it "the U.S. Rifle" or "the Magazine Rifle" and combinations there of. The U.S.A. once again had a "Springfield" rifle, a term used for the rifles before the Krag Jorgensen. There were no more excuses necessary to defend a foreign rifle design, although the Model 1903 Magazine Rifle was influenced by foreign design. The Krag Jorgensen was a purchased design and the 1903 Springfield was a copied design. But both were U.S.A. rifles to be proud of.
And as suggested in other posts, we are free to call them whatever we want to. Those from that era seemed to.
  
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Interview Of Brig. Gen. Flagler On Mag. Rifle
Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 1:37am
 
A commission was established for the investigation of conduct of the War with Spain. Here is some questioning of Brigadier General Daniel Flagler of the Army Ordnance Department as it relates to the U. S. Magazine Rifle, .30 Caliber. He was of the "Old Guard" and has some interesting answers for the commission.

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General Buffington Needs $200,000 More
Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 1:42am
 
In early 1900 there was a sub-committee formed from the House Committee On Appropriations to address urgent deficiencies. General A.R. Buffington, Chief of the Bureau of Ordnance, addressed the committee with the need for $200,000 more. It is interesting to note that he wanted a total of 500,000 Krags. He almost made it before the 1903 Springfield came into play.

Another interesting note: When asked by the  Committee Chairman what the rifle was called he replied "The Krag-Jorgensen; or, in our nomenclature, the United States Rifle, caliber .30."  To me this implies that Buffington surmised that the layman, or civilian, referred to this rifle as the Krag-Jorgensen and the military establishment called it otherwise.

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Re: General Buffington Needs $200,000 More
Reply #12 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 1:03am
 
An interesting read in regard to supply of seasoned stock wood being used up, due to demands of SAW and actions in Philippines. (This explains the eventual recourse to seasoned Italian blanks in order to be able to manufacture rifles in quantities needed).

The private purchase of woven cartridge belts at $1.75 from the Mass. Manufacturer, (Mills), who held the 'patent'/monopoly is also of interest.
  
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Re: General Buffington Needs $200,000 More
Reply #13 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:31am
 
Here is a Mill's ad from the Army and Navy Journal in 1901.

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As a Captain in the Army, Anson Mills saw the drawbacks of the leather cartridge belt and designed a woven type. He received a patent for the woven belt in 1880 and also for the loom which it was manufactured on. Thomas Orndorff was the 2nd manufacturer of the belt under Mills direction and was also a brother in law to Mills. Mills retired as a Brigadier General. His business took off during the Spanish American War.
  
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