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Krag Star Gauged Barrels
May 15th, 2019 at 11:16am
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I was reading an old 1958 issue of American Rifleman the other day and ran across a short discussion of some early National Match Springfield 1903 rifles and the "Star Gauge" process for marking barrels that were made to a higher quality standard for accuracy desired for NM barrels and matched receivers that were equally accurized for NM rifles. This was done prior to better ways of checking accuracy of barrels after around 1939.

The star gauge, as I have heard before for 1903 NM rifles, is marked at the 6 o'clock position at the end of the muzzle. These marked rifles are usually highly sought after by collectors although, as we know from Krag collecting, some have been faked.

But, the article also mentioned that you could send your 1903 OR KRAG rifle back to Springfield Armory to have it accurized with possibly a new barrel installed that would then be star gauged and marked as such.

Has anyone heard of this before or ever seen a starred muzzle on a Krag barrel? I think that would be a great find, if authentic, for a Krag collector. It would be nice to find one and see if it did shoot better than some of the ones we are enjoying on the range.
  
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Re: Krag Star Gauged Barrels
Reply #1 - May 15th, 2019 at 1:24pm
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My father had mentioned star gauged barrels as something special as far as accuracy. After not seeing anything for a while about star gauging, I got to thinking that it might have been a first article mark after refreshing all the tools on a production line.
If your article is correct and it involved special work done for match rifles that is a different story. I gotta say stamping the end of the barrel is not something I would do. The metal displaced would affect the bore. I had a machine installer tap a table gib out with a screw driver made a similar mark, ran the table back and forth a couple of times and the displaced metal made a gouge in the table way. Scrapped a $25,000 machine that never made a single part after the CNC installation.
  
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2019 at 2:16pm
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AFAIK - "Star" mark on 1903 barrels is more like an Asterisk.

I was under impression "star gauge" barrels were more a precision measuring & selection process, rather than, special finish procedures.

I am unaware of Krag 'star gauged' barrels.

BTW - In the early 1900's, there was the scandal of a U.S. Wimbledon Team winning with 'Winchester or Pope made' barrels on their Krags.

They were later disqualified, since it broke the rules of not being an issued arm. The trophy was returned and awarded to the 2nd place team.
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Reply #3 - May 15th, 2019 at 2:19pm
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I have also read where they were the first few barrels made with new and sharp rifling tools, similar to "Proof" coins being the first few made with fresh, polished dies. The actions were also supposed to have been accurized.
  
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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2019 at 2:39pm
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It has been 40+ years since my discussion with my Dad, but I seem to remember mention of a star shaped gauge to measure the rifling ID. Rounded points to contact the rifling may have been involved, hence the shape? Gauging to confirm all measurements are in spec would not necessarily give you the most accurate barrel.

On the other hand selecting the straightest barrel in a batch and giving it special treatment might could give you something special as to accuracy.

On a recent thread Chuck found a bolt with a star on it, anyone else find a receiver with such a mark? With the mixing of parts on rebuilds if one rifle had all its parts marked with a star it would be very unlikely they stayed together.
  
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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2019 at 3:02pm
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If this procedure, and subsequent marking, were done for National Match rifles, I would imagine the goal was to produce the most accurate rifle possible. many were faked and parts were swapped, so, I would think an all "Star" quality rifle would be hard to find.
  
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Reply #6 - May 15th, 2019 at 3:40pm
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FWIW - I do not believe the 'Star' mark on one of my model 1898 Krag bolts has anything to do with special selection or 'Star' gauging.

I think it is just one of the many goofy 'Inspection or Production hieroglyphics', we find on certain Krag components.

IMHO - Probably, buried deep in the bowels of Springfield Armory, are stacks & stacks of paper documents. The archives and documents are unorganized and not recently explored because of red-tape, lack of funding, and lack of interest.

There are probably bound pages, showing "The Marks of the Month" on U.S. Rifle components.
There, (at least at one time), had to be a key or guide-list to help decipher these marks and track the who, when, and why, indicated by these symbols.

(Hopefully, documents still exist and did not go to a Landfill, during a house-cleaning effort).   
  
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Reply #7 - May 15th, 2019 at 4:13pm
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According to Poyer's 'The Model 1903 Springfield Rifle'... Beginning in 1905, an interior gauging system was installed at the Springfield Armory to provide precise measurements of the bore.  Referred to as a "star gauge," it was a hollow tube with arms at one end that could be expanded by pushing a rod into it to force the arms against the land or grooves.  The amount of expansion was read at one-inch intervals directly from a dial indicator.  A statistical sampling was made of service-rifle barrels during production runs to ensure that they did not exceed maximum and minimum standards.  Beginning in 1921, barrels so gauged had a tiny eight pointed star stamped on the crown at the six o'clock position.  Additionally, beginning in 1921, all barrels for competition were star-gauged and so marked on the crown.

BTW: Star-gauged rifles are highly desirable and sell at premium.
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Reply #8 - May 15th, 2019 at 4:39pm
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I wonder if the star in the first picture is a faked one. The asterisk star above looks more realistic for what might have been stamped 100 years ago.
  
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Reply #9 - May 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm
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I still think that they did mark them, but on the stub somewhere near the P proof.  I had some pics, can't find my way into what I've already uploaded to this site anymore.  The single starred barrel I have is very consistent and tight, like .299 bore, .307 groove diameter.  However, what wear and tear has happened over the last 100+ years means we'll find other barrels, starred like mine, with all sorts of measurements.  I would think that if they measured them, they marked them.  Mallory and others say they came with a card and weren't marked.  You just know some guys would be selling their old barrels or out of spec barrels along with the card.
  
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Re: Krag Star Gauged Barrels
Reply #10 - May 15th, 2019 at 9:11pm
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Quote from local boy "A statistical sampling was made service-rifle barrels during production runs to ensure that they did not exceed maximum and minimum standards."    Fore runner of today's statistical process control? If so one with a star gauge mark would be no better or worse than the ones that proceeded or followed.

  Quote "Beginning in 1921, barrels so gauged had a tiny eight pointed star stamped on the crown at the six o'clock position.  Additionally, beginning in 1921, all barrels for competition were star-gauged and so marked on the crown." The ones that had additional inspections for competition or sniper use should have been marked differently than the ones just star gauged to have any meaning as to absolute quality.

When you have a stabile process in making things you check only one in so many parts to assure part tolerance. Deming taking statistical process control to Japanese auto makers, was just helping them understand things that were done by Ford on his first assembly line and apparently pioneered by SA. US automakers forgot some of the early lessons and suffered for it trying to push production and not shutting lines down when problems arose.

If Local Boy's quotes are accurate, star gauging with indicators started in 1905 (whoops not 1921), before that they probably used "star" shaped hardened go and no/go plug gauges. Both style gauges would need to be twisted to follow the grooves.
Paying a big premium for a marked barrel seems a waste to me.
  
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