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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 12:20pm
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Couple more:
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 1:55pm
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Wow, that's a head-scratcher!

The 'machine cuts' in the wood, for the action, barrel, and lightening-channels, all look correct to me. (I am directly comparing them to two original stocks).
The 'head of the hinge-bar' area appears to have has been 'whittled on' a bit.

The wood does not appear to be black walnut. It could be Italian walnut.

The "circled P" proof looks pretty crisp and closer to the rear of the trigger-guard than on my stocks.
(Are there any tiny inspector initials or numbers, right behind the trigger-guard)?

I'm stumped. The inside looks good.

The oversize butt-area is very suspect??? An uncompleted and discarded stock would not be likely to have a circle proof?

(I guess we need to see pictures of the butt-plate area holes).

FWIW - In my 'junk box', I have a couple of Krag butt-plates that were reduced in size on 'sportered Krags'. That is not all that obvious, until I compare them with a normal size one. (I'm grasping at straws, here).
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 2:11pm
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I will get some pics of that this evening. 
There are two holes drilled in, one with the three holes for the cleaning rod.

Who knew this would be such a mystery carbine!
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 3:15pm
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I don't know.  I see a yellowish hue to the stock.  Is it Italian walnut maybe?
  

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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #19 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 1:21am
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Here’s a pic under the buttplate showing the three holes.

I’ve also attached one showing the bore.  It’s pretty dark but has nice sharp rifling.  Not bad!

  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #20 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 2:03am
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Mystery deepens .... the butt-trap looks correct and it is grooved to store the oil bottle, too.
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #21 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 1:15pm
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Well..shoot.
I can make the buttplate fit.  It doesn’t need *that* much work.
I’d like to be sure I’m not cutting on some super rare “fat butt type II” stock first lol.
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #22 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 1:42pm
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Speculation… how bout this was at sometime a stock for a '73 carbine that was left from earlier inventory?  And, during the period of the shortages for Krag replacement carbine stocks (1901-2) was 'altered' to see how much work would be needed to adapt it to the Krag.   That would account for the double holes and for the 'fat' size.  That might also even account for the "P".  If this (or prototypical work for the '03 adapted to the Krag) was involved, the decision as to cost and timing was probably found to be prohibitive. 
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #23 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 2:50pm
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FWIW - In my opinion it is an original model 1899 carbine stock.

'Rcat', there seems to be a shim or extra wood on your stock, at the 'corner', where the butt-plate tang and main part of the plate join. (Red Arrow)

This appears to lift or cant the plate out of position and throws everything off.

If that wood is removed, things should drop down into proper alignment.

A picture of a normal stock is attached:
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #24 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 4:39pm
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I'm gonna feel pretty silly if I overlooked a wood shim like that  Sad

I'll take a close look when I get home this afternoon.
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #25 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 4:49pm
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I’ll join you with the look.  I didn’t see it at all and it explains it a lot  better than my idea!
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #26 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 4:53pm
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Rcat - Your butt-plate may be bent in the tang or other areas, due to efforts to make it fit ... 'more better'.

If possible, try a different plate after you've checked for 'wood obstruction'.
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #27 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 4:55pm
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The buttplate that you see in the pictures came off a cut down rifle stock I had in my parts bin.  It definitely fits as issued...just not on this stock haha.
  
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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #28 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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Good observation detective Chuck concerning the butt plate not seating properly!

I purchased, sometime ago, a beat-up 1896 carbine that had a cut down rifle barrel and lyman peep sight.  The carbine was also missing the rear sight and hand guard.

I wanted to play around with it and had the parts to restore it to a proper 1896 but...I quickly discovered that original barrel bands would not fit due to the width of the barrel.

The workaround that a previous  owner used was to install a 1903 or mauser barrel band (fairly common).

I also noticed that the width of the barrel apparently has caused the nose of the stock to crack by forcing outward pressure on the barrel channel (see picture).

Regardless, you have a very nice carbine and I hope your able to resolve all your issues with it and "Get to chooting that thing!"



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Re: Krag 1899 Carbine - Serial Number 849318
Reply #29 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 6:57pm
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Local Boy - 1886 Carbine? I think you had too much coffee today!

I was expecting 'Trap-Door' pictures or something else.

I believe, I am seeing the tip of a Krag carbine stock, complete with 'finger-grooves' and maybe a Mauser barrel-band.

If what you have is a Krag carbine, the barrel diameter is the same for a carbine barrel or rifle barrel at that distance from the receiver.

Maybe the barrel is a commercial replacement barrel?
  
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