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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Two Carbines, what do I have ? Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Have had these for a while but am not sure what I have. Would appreciate any help. Will post pictures as soon as I can find a 3rd grader to help me with it. 1898 ser # 477720 1899 ser # 858074 Thanks.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	Well, assuming 477720 is in .30-40, you have a very late M1898 rifle, produced in 1903, but it could be a .22 GPR. If so it will be marked on left side. You have misread the number on 358074, which is probably a standard M1899 carbine from 1901. First digit has to be a "3", as production stopped just short of 500,000. Hurry up and find the kid!


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Both are .30 cal. That first number is an "8" and not a "3". Clearly something wrong there ?


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Ned Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 525 Location: western catskills NY Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Yes very wrong! Pictures esp. of the serial number will be a big help. Hurry up 3rd grader!! In the mean time you could email pics to Dick and/or me to get the ball rolling.


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	I just looked at the gun and it looks like this could be a "3" . Then enlarged the photo and it looks like an "8" but it does not appear to be the same as the other #8 stamps. Will there be additional ser #'s elsewhere on the gun ?


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	Ned, Could you please send me an e-mail. I am having trouble on this end. Maybe I can reply you and then send pics ? Thanks


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gpm289 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2013	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	The first "8" in the #858074 may be similar to the GB 1899 carbine #358749. The "3" in this # when enlarged also looks very much like an "8". Coincidence? The GB auction # is 337707834.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	You know, the point of asking questions is to get answers, not to argue. You were given the correct answer, right up front. There are NO leading eights, period. Get over it. For one thing, we had to pay a royalty for every Krag, so they damn sure didn't shell out for 300,000 plus arms not produced! Now, today, if it were PC, they probably would, but that's a whole new can of worms. "Coincidence" and "looks like" and "maybe" simply don't apply here. There are many legitimate questions and puzzles, and what-ifs in the wonderful world of Kragdom, but this isn't one of them. Sorry, off to take my meds now!


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Ned Butts KCA Forum Admin KCA Official Member Offline Krag enthusiast! Posts: 525 Location: western catskills NY Joined: Apr 1^st, 2002 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Two separate posters here. I believe the first wanted clarification the second was, I believe, implying the coincidence between the striking of the first 3 in such close serial numbers. Maybe the striker had a bad night!! After just viewing pictures I can see the confusion at first look, but further study indicates what we already know. No 800,000 serial numbers. (or anything close )


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gpm289 KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 14 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2013	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	Ned, you picked up on what I was trying to point out. With no Krags in the 800,000 numbers, how could two # in the 358,xxx range have an 8 as what appears to be the first #. I don't have any third graders, but had my wife look at the GB carbine and she read the #as 858749. The striker may have had a bad night thanks to Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.


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Dick Hosmer KCA Official Member Offline Collector of Springfield Arms, 1865-1915 Posts: 1862 Location: Northern California Joined: Nov 20^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	Same situation as the non-existant "1878" trapdoor. Given sufficient light and magnification, it always shows to be "1873"


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #11 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	Found a third grader. More pictures on the way.


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #12 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	More of the first carbine.


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #13 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	Second carbine pictures.


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oldfireguy KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Michigan Joined: Apr 21^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Two Carbines, what do I have ? Reply #14 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	two more


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