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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #15 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:15pm
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I'm going to dispense with the lateral dowels and just go with my planned epoxy repair. 

I went to a wood working store today and picked up some structural epoxy today with a 30-45 minute set time, and 36 hour cure.  Also, on the advice of the people there, I will use denatured alcohol to clean out the crack.  It evaporates very quickly, and will clean the wood.  I was told that the acetone contains a small amount of oil, which could prevent it from cleaning all of the oil from the wood.  Attached are a few pictures with the crack opened as wide as I can without damaging it further.  As you can see, it's not very wide.

  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #16 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:00pm
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I don't see how you could possibly get enough epoxy to flow into the cracks to make an effective repair.  Rules or not, I'd opt for routing some of the crack out.  As far as cleaining is concerned, the linseed penetrates a surprisingly small amount of the stock (maybe 1/16 of an inch).  I wouldn't even bother cleaning it out.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #17 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:21pm
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Epoxy only needs a couple of molecules of thickness to effect a bond. Plenty enough can be worked into that crack.

As for acetone containing trace amounts of oil, if it does it's such a small amount as to be totally inconsequential. We use it to de-oil teak before gluing up, I use it as my primary de-greaser when prepping for rust bluing and you know how spotlessly oil free steel must be for that. Acetone evaporates as readily as alcohol, and ishands down better in this situation. We use alcohol routinely as a cleanup solvent for epoxy glue-ups, never as a surface prep.

Not meaning to sound strident, but 20 years building wooden boats from dinghys to 40 foot sail boats, using epoxy, has taught me a thing or two.

Obviously Mr. Steinmeyer has the situation well in hand. No doubt that Krag will be singing its sweet song again in no time!
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #18 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 2:10pm
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The crack appears to be a maximum of .020" wide, when it is wedged open.  The clearance is less as you move aft on the stock.  I believe the epoxy would not flow down into the crack with this small clearance.   Hence, the need to route out part of the crack (to get the epoxy to flow into the void).  Clamp and squeeze the crack all you want, but, first, you have to get the epoxy in there.
Not to brag, but after 54 year of building, refinishing, repairing and bedding gun stocks, I believe I know a few things about stock repair.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #19 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 2:17pm
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I'm going to use the acetone again... at least two more times to make sure there are no traces of oil left in that crack. 

In response to cdagnese,  I'm going to drill two small holes running along the crack and parallel to the sides of the stock about 3/16 from the sides, and running for at least an inch and a half.  These holes (0.1 dia) will provide me with an area to inject the epoxy, which should flow outward from there into all areas of the crack.  With a 30+ minute working time, if I see epoxy oozing from the crack when I clamp the stock, I'll know I've achieved my goal.  If not,  I'll have sufficient time to inject more until I do.   I'm going to use an epoxy injector for this, and for the really tight areas, a syringe with a very small needle (insulin syringe - about a 30 gauge needle).
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 4:40pm
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Sounds like a plan to me.  Injecting will probably do the trick and the holes will increase the area for the epoxy to bond.  The rounded holes, filled with epoxy, will further stabilize the stock.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #21 - Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:32pm
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Ok, the repairs continue...

I drilled a 0.1 dia hole on each side from the magazine well back along the line of the crack.  Each hole extends approximately 3/4 inch, but because of the angle, is not perfectly parallel to the side, but rather at a slight angle. 

I injected epoxy into the holes until it oozed out of the majority of the cracked area... almost the entire length of the crack.  I also used my popsicle stick to try to force epoxy into the rearward areas of the crack where there was less oozing.  I scraped the excess epoxy off the sides and in the magazine well and trigger slot areas. 

I then secured the crack with several tight rubber bands, and then propped the stock upright and placed a 4 pound divers weight over the cracked area for added pressure.  I'll now let that cure for a few days.

Pictures are attached, including one of the epoxy and injector I used.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #22 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 12:12am
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Looking good, Paul. Hey, maybe when you are done, you can put some of those rubber bands around the stock wrist and forearm to improve your grip!
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #23 - Apr 13th, 2015 at 3:06pm
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Looks good indeed. No need to leave it clamped up for days. Overnight is quite sufficient- it won't move after that. Maybe waiting a couple days before subjecting it to the rigors of a forced march over the Mindanao mountains would be a good idea though.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #24 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:27pm
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The Krag went back together yesterday evening.  I've loaded up some moderate 150 gr RN loads, and tomorrow I'll hit the range and get her sighted back in. 

I found my front sight blade was a little loose also, so I used a C-clamp and some parallel blocks to slightly close the blade post before reinstalling the blade, which worked like a beauty - now my blade is nice and solid!  This could have added to my accuracy issues. 

I'll post my results tomorrow after my range trip.
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #25 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 4:49pm
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It ought to be good for another 100yrs Paul. I've got one similarly cracked.  I planned out how to repair it long ago, just as you did, and haven't got around to it yet.  On mine the receiver acted like a wedge to cause the cracks as someone had removed wood at the front of the receiver bedding area, an attempt to free float that portion.  Not to mention, I have this big screwdriver...
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #26 - Apr 19th, 2015 at 6:38pm
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Back from the range.  I fired some 65 rounds successfully and the stock is nice and solid!

I fired 15 nice mild rounds with 150 gr RNSP bullets, and 50 rounds of 165 gr SP Spitzer bullets that I wanted to use up.  Now, here is the interesting thing.  I have been trying to work up these Hornady 150 gr RN bullets (45.1 gr IMR4350/CCI 250promer) in an attempt to find a milder round for CMP competitions, but I've had no luck at all with accuracy.  With my elevation set for 200 yards, I was still hitting low.  The Hornady 165 gr SP Spitzers were loaded up more than 4 years ago (with 38.5 gr IMR4064p/CCI 200), and I wanted to just use them up because the brass was relatively new and I need the brass.  I found, however, that these were peppering the center of the target.  Bottom line is, I will order some more of these bullets and load up another 50 rounds.  I'll shoot them in the match next month, and if it goes like I hope, I may just continue shooting them from here on out!  Oh, and since the bullets have a cannelure and I apply a nice mild factory crimp, I have no issues with feeding... they seem to feed like butter!

Here are a few pictures of the Krag stock, now repaired.  Enjoy!
  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #27 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:16pm
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Good job on the repair Paul. Glad to hear is all OK and the old girl is shooting well. Smiley
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:04pm
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Ok, I went ahead and shot the Krag in a CMP match yesterday.  I did ok... but mostly, that was me and not the Krag.  I use a new load of Hornady 165 grain BTSP spitzers over 36.0 grains of IMR4064 and a CCI 200 primer.  The results were encouraging, although I haven't totally abandoned my ole 220 gr loads yet.  80-1X prone, 83-1X rapid (with a saved round), and 71-0X off hand.  The stock was nice and solid!

Here's a couple pictures of me shooting prone and off hand.

  
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Re: Cracked Stock
Reply #29 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:17am
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A new member inquired about repairing stock 'cracks' today. I posted on this old thread to bring this repair information to the top.
  
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