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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Bad head space Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	Then, just coincidence. The extractor-spring was probably fractured and ready to 'let go'. Pushing up on the extractor to remove the bolt likely completed the failure.


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2017 at 11:29pm	Print Post
	butlersrangers wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 6:01pm: 'Preston' - $375 for a nice Krag (and a family heirloom to boot) is a great price! Wow, I've never had a problem with the small extractor spring on a Krag. Did the part break or just come off the extractor-body? That spring is a tight fit into the extractor-body and is not intended to be disassembled. (Somebody probably took it off at sometime). FWIW - You may just want to get a complete extractor with spring attached. 'movieman630' has the extractor-spring for $10 or the complete extractor with spring for $25. You can also find complete extractors even cheaper, from time to time, on ebay and at gun shows. If your spring actually broke, there is a small access hole to drive the remaining part out of the extractor body. I think your advice on buying the complete extractor is solid. I cannot get the small piece that is left in the extractor out. What is the best method to remove it? Another question... How do you remove the whole extractor? Sorry I'm such a amateur!

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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Bad head space Reply #17 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 5:36am	Print Post
	'Preston': 1. To remove the fragment of the broken extractor spring from the extractor: I would 'sandwich' the extractor body between small pieces of hardwood in the jaws of a vise, with the broken spring 'down' and small access hole 'up'. I would use a small drift or punch with a plastic mallet to drive the remnant out. (I have found those cheap sets of small 'jeweler's' screw-drivers useful as punches. You may have to reshape and blunt the tip). 2. To remove the extractor from the Bolt-Sleeve: The extractor is held in place and swings on a solid rivet. The Bolt-Sleeve can be 'sandwiched' between hardwood pieces in a vise with the small end of the rivet 'up'. With a brass punch and plastic mallet, drive the rivet 'down'. This can require a lot of force. It is good if the face of the punch is concave. Caution: In reassembling, note the large head of the rivet is 'grooved' to match the radius of the Bolt-Body and has to be aligned properly.
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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Bad head space Reply #18 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	'Preston' - You ask good questions. We are all learning about Krags, by Reading, doing, and screwing up, once in a while. No one is alive today, that built or re-built these things at U.S. Armories or Arsenals. If you haven't looked, there is some real good information available on the KCA website main-page, under the tab 'photos'. This schematic is found there: p.s. - In my opinion, some assemblies were not intended to be needlessly taken apart. The Magazine cut-off (spindle & spring), follower & carrier arm and the Extractor & Extractor Spring, come to mind.


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #19 - Jan 15^th, 2017 at 11:20pm	Print Post
	I was able to remove the extractor thanks to your help! This forum is a fantastic resource. Hopefully the replacement parts will be in this week and I can get it to the range very soon. Picked up a Swiss Model 1911 manufactured in 1913 yesterday that should also be great fun to shoot. The trigger is much lighter than my K31.

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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:00pm	Print Post
	Got the new extractor and bolt from Movieman630 today. The gun now passes the head space check easily with the No-Go gauge. Very happy!!! Thank you again for all of your help.

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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #21 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	I was finally able to take the Krag out and shoot it this weekend. What a great rifle it is! It was very accurate and a real joy to shoot. I can understand the loading method to be undesirable in battle but at the range I prefer it to the typical Mauser style. The bolt is a joy to operate. I was also shooting my 1943 Finn M39 Sk.Y rifle which wasn't as accurate or as smooth operating (despite the 2.5 lb trigger pull) as the Krag. I'm looking forward to shooting it many more times in the future!

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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #22 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 12:50pm	Print Post
	FWIW, loading time can be vastly improved with the use of a charger. If you intend on shooting in CMP Vintage Rifle Matches or the Roosevelt Match, a charger is almost a necessity for the Rapid-fire portion of the match!


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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #23 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	psteinmayer wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 12:50pm: FWIW, loading time can be vastly improved with the use of a charger. If you intend on shooting in CMP Vintage Rifle Matches or the Roosevelt Match, a charger is almost a necessity for the Rapid-fire portion of the match! How would you use a charger with the Krag?

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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Bad head space Reply #24 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 12:01am	Print Post
	Preston wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 10:55pm: How would you use a charger with the Krag? (You need to *Login* to view media files and links)
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Preston KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 27 Location: Kansas Joined: Jan 14^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #25 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 2:37am	Print Post
	That is fantastic! Now where might I acquire one or two of those?

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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Bad head space Reply #26 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 6:04am	Print Post
	Preston wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 2:37am: That is fantastic! I assure you this is not fantasy. It is not a commercial item. You can make it yourself (or seek somebody to do it). No special tools or skill required. Pictures give the concept. Cartridge and loading platform give the dimensions.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Bad head space Reply #27 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	PM 'psteinmayer'. He makes very good ones. But, first you need a "left-hand" Krag (like the one in the video) -LOL!


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Parashooter KCA Forum Member Offline Kragmudgeon Posts: 514 Location: Connecticut Joined: Feb 4^th, 2010	Re: Bad head space Reply #28 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	butlersrangers wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:33pm: . . . you need a "left-hand" Krag (like the one in the video) -LOL! Which video? Not mine posted on this thread I hope.


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mwt KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 11 Location: Louisiana Joined: Jan 30^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Bad head space Reply #29 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	If you neck size with dedicated brass to that rifle, I bet the headspace would not be an issue. You would be in effect fire forming your brass to match your particular rifles chamber. I have a few old mausers and a P14 that I treat similarly without issue. Regards Martyb


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