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Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check (Read 4222 times)

Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Aug 19^th, 2017 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	1. Please perform an SRS check on a Model 1899 S/N 349616 . 2. Purchased this Model 1899 Springfield Krag at a local antiques store. Was originally holding out for a descent affordable rifle but the price on this carbine was too good to pass up. 3. IMHO, I believe this firearm to be a legit Model 1899 carbine and I would appreciate any opinions or comments. Thank You


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #1 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	More Photos


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1911Ron KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 59 Location: Buckeye,Az Joined: May 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #2 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:00pm	Print Post
	I know nothing about Carbine serial numbers so i'm no help there, i do like it though congrats!


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #3 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:01am	Print Post
	Hey thanks a lot 1911Ron I appreciate the comment!


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98src KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 160 Location: sevierville,tn Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #4 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 10:56am	Print Post
	If it is marked Model 1899 on the receiver, there is no doubt that it is a carbine. But, it is not mentioned in the SRS records.


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #5 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 2:05pm	Print Post
	Thank you for checking 98src!


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psteinmayer KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 2391 Location: Ypsilanti, Michgan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #6 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	All 1899 Krags are carbines, as there were no 1899 rifles manufactured. That's a pretty good looking example too! How does the bore look? Have you shot it yet?


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #7 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:09am	Print Post
	Thanks psteinmayer, haven't had the opportunity to shoot it yet... hopefully soon. Barrel groves are pitted but not too bad. Barrel lands, after cleaning, are nice and shiny. I realized that all 1899 Krags are carbines, however, I just wanted to post some pics to find out if the more knowledgeable folks can see some issues that I'm not. I already have a 1896 Stokes modified carbine that has been quite the learning experience. Once again just wanted to find out if it had been bubba molested.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #8 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 2:33am	Print Post
	Local Boy: It appears you have a correct model 1899 carbine. Serial number 349616 would have been built around September or October, 1901. Your stock and hand-guard appear to be Italian walnut. This wood is found on some Krag rifles and carbines built during 1899 to 1901. The 'finger grooves' of your forearm suggest the stock has been sanded down a bit. When first built, your carbine likely had the same type of hand-guard as used on the model 1898 rifle. These were later updated to the 'humped' type to protect the rear sight when the carbine was used in a saddle scabbard. Is there a dated 'cartouche' on your stock? I only see a couple of minor (and correctable) problems on your 1899 carbine: Your extractor had the 'bolt hold-open pin' filed off. Your front-sight blade is a replacement and too tall. Your carbine will probably shoot low. Nice pick up! Enjoy!


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #9 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 4:36am	Print Post
	Thank you for your input butlersrangers! Unfortunately there're no cartouches. The owner of the store said it came from a long-term Alaskan family and that the carbine was brought to Alaska from the Philippines. So maybe it was refurbished or restocked there? Just speculating. I read an earlier post discussion where you described the difference between American and Italian walnut and I was wondering if the stock was Italian walnut. It seemed lighter than other walnut stocks or maybe it was because of the meatballs that came rolling out of the cleaning rod compartment. I thought the front sight looked too tall but then I read Joe Poyer's discussion about the Type 2 carbine sight blade being similar to the Type 4 rifle front sight. He said it was taller and used with the carbine 1901 rear sight. I guess I'll find out at the range and also I don't see a "C" on the front sight blade. BTW, I read some history about Butler's Rangers... Man those were some ruthless dudes!!!


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #10 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 3:51am	Print Post
	'Local Boy': Two photos showing a model 1899 carbine front-sight blade and the extractor 'latch-pin' on a model 1898 bolt. (p.s. - The Canadian view of Butler's Rangers would be quite different: they were loyal, fought hard and made great sacrifices. Two of the Ranger Companies served out of Detroit, later in the American Revolution. They eventually settled in Amherstburg, Ont.).


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #11 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 4:33am	Print Post
	Mahalo once again for the info butlersrangers! I purchased an extractor, with the pin still in it, from a local gun shop along with and assortment of Krag screws. Unfortunately no sight blades. I guess I'll look around the usual places for a replacement sight blade. Sorry, I guess it was a poor choice of words concerning Butlers Rangers. I meant it more like they where tough special OPS kinda guys.


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #12 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	Think I found the reason for the tall front sight blade. It seems that the rear sight binding lever screw was not sitting flush with the underside of the sight base. I believe this prevented the rear sight from sitting flush with the barrel and caused the front end of the rear sight to be raised more than it should.


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butlersrangers KCA Forum Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 6330 Location: Michigan Bi-Peninsular&Proud Joined: Oct 7^th, 2009	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #13 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	FYI - Krag rifle blade for use with 1901 and 1902 rifle rear-sights measures .413". Carbine blade height for 1901 and 1902 carbine rear-sights measures .355". These dimensions are just for the removable blades and do not include the height of the front-sight base. The pin that holds the blade in the base is tapered. It should be driven out from the left-side of the base. p.s. A 'loose' original Krag carbine blade is very hard to obtain. You may just wish to file down your high replacement blade to obtain desired point of impact. I believe S&S Firearms (Glendale, N.Y.) offers replica blades. Attached photo shows contour of carbine and rifle blades.


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Local Boy KCA Forum Member KCA Official Member Offline Krag Enthusiast! Posts: 462 Location: Mat-Su Valley, Alaska Joined: Sep 24^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Yet Another SRS and Carbine Check Reply #14 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:00am	Print Post
	Once again thank you sir!


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