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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #15 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 4:53am
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FWIW - attachments show - model 1898 rifle sight (note absence of serrations on left edge of leaf).

Also, sketches of Krag 1898 base and Krag 1902 base.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 5:34pm
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Here are some pictures of the sight...Bob
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 7:16pm
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Bob: IMHO you have a sight that someone has put together from parts. This would not have been done by a U.S. Armory or Arsenal.

Likely it was done by a private dealer or gun hobbyist.

Your base & spring, leaf, 'locking-knob' and slide are all for the model 1902 sight.
Just the 3-notch eye-piece is for the model 1898 sight.

You have a non-official "mixmaster" sight, that only someone with surplus parts would assemble.
  
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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #18 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 8:08pm
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How can I differentiate between a 1898 and 1902 slide...they both look the same to me???

Probably answering my own question but would it be because one is made for the use of serrations and another is not?
  
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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #19 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 9:51pm
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Local Boy- You are not wrong, but ...

(The Short Answer): The '1898 Slide' does not have a small hole on its left edge. The '1902 Slide' has a small hole on the left edge.

(Longer Answer):
Hidden from view, there is a 'spring-loaded plunger', inside the 'Slide', of 1898 and 1902 sights.
The plunger is on the left side, opposite the 'Slide-Screw' (which is on the right side).
When the Slide-Screw is "loose", the plunger maintains a bit of friction on the left side of the leaf, to keep the slide lightly in place. Once the Slide is adjusted for elevation, the Side-Screw is tightened to lock things in place.

On model 1898 sights the Leaf is smooth sided. So, the 'head' of the spring-loaded plunger is flat, (like a tack head). The plunger body, that fits inside the coiled-spring is short. These tiny parts fit into a 'blind' hole on the inside of the Slide.

On model 1902 sights the left side of the Leaf has serrations. The 'head' of the spring-loaded plunger has a raised 'dome' at its center. This  dome fits into a shallow groove that runs the length of the serrations. The plunger body that fits inside the coiled-spring is long. The plunger requires an outside hole to allow movement, provide guidance and vent debris, old grease, and dirt.
This "hole" is actually through a separate piece or bushing (apparently press fitted into the slide), called the "slide-shoe".
The inside surface of the Slide-Shoe has serrations, that lock into the serrations of the Leaf, when the slide-screw is tightened.

Aren't you glad you asked?
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 10:50pm
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I am sure everyone is tired of reading my crap. (I am a visual learner).

Some images:

#1 - model 1898 sight (top) contrasted with model 1902. 

#2 - model 1902 slide - (note faint circle around hole, showing margins of 'shoe' insert. On some slides it looks like a football shape). 

#3 - model 1902 sight taken apart - ('shoe' is not removable).
  
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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #21 - Sep 4th, 2019 at 12:23am
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Actually, I'm glad I asked Chuck!

Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.  I've learned a lot.

I also appreciated you providing visual aids as I'm a visual learner myself.

BTW: Excellent pics rap1610!

p.s. Here's a mixed bag from my stash that I didn't realize I even had...guess I loose SIGHT of things from time to time.
  
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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #22 - Sep 4th, 2019 at 4:06am
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Well 'Local Boy' you have a 'mix-master' that has a model 1902 'top' installed on a model 1898 carbine rear-sight base.

Springfield Armory did not put those parts together.

But, that is a good sight to hold on to, in the hopes of finding a model 1898 carbine 'top', someday.

I have a fake "carbine- top" that I keep for an example.

(The three 'notches' are off-set, slightly to the right of the center-line. This was done only on the rifle eye-piece, to correct for bullet drift.
A real carbine eye-piece does not have the notches off-set, to the right).

p.s. The "C", (size and placement), is also a bit 'off' and disrupts the metal.
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Re: 30-40 krag rifle sn: 152416
Reply #23 - Sep 4th, 2019 at 2:31pm
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Here is a real M1898C sight.
  
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