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Reply #15 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 11:41pm
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This is the only place that there are any markings. The J,0,8 that I thought I saw appear to be J,P,S which I assume is an inspector.  The marking half in the shadow is a 0.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 11:43pm
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You're getting there!

That looks like the front of every Krag magazine cover and receiver with typical stampings that have no specific relevance to identifying the rifle or valuing it. They are just considered stamps from different stages of production. Just a jumble of letters and numbers that we don't understand. The "P" that you see on the rear of the barrel and the front ring of the receiver signifies proof testing of each.

Need more pictures. You're teasing us!

Here are similar pictures of three different Krag receivers I took real quick for comparison:
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 11:58pm
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Give me a break Whig, I've got a slow hand.Smiley

  
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Reply #18 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 12:05am
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Okay, I messed this up a bit but it still shows the rear sight well enough.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 12:12am
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This is where I would expect to see some markings but nada.  Value would be cool but I'm never selling Dad's guns.  I'd really like to figure out about when this was made.  I' hoping that someone recognises the rear sight or some other minor difference that might narrow down a time frame.
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Reply #20 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 12:46am
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I can see a few details that can shed a small amount of light on your Krag. I can't see much yet but a couple observations:

The stock is cut down from a rifle stock to carbine length. It has been sanded heavily as seen with the worn down grasping grooves. The stock has a later M1898 bolt handle cut out which says the receiver is probably a Model 1898 receiver. The rear sight looks like an un modified Model 1898 rifle sight with the three notches.

The receiver does appear to have been scrubbed of any identifying marks. The left side of the receiver should show Model 1898, US Springfield Armory and serial number. This could be considered problematic as any firearm manufactured on or after January 1, 1899 requires licensing and registration by the BATFE.

Other important features are the receiver action, bolt and front sight. The barrel length is important also.

I can't see if the front sight is original or not.

Are there a couple of small holes drilled in the top of the receiver?

That looks like a great old sling with your Krag. Are there any cleaning rods or an oiler in the butt stock compartment?

Thanks for the pictures. Seems like you got it figured out.

It's great to have a family heirloom like this passed down from generation to generation. Congrats on having something like this in your family, even if it has been altered from original condition!
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 2:27am
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'Caribou' -  I agree with 'Whig' that you have a U.S. Model 1898 'cut-down' Krag rifle stock.

It is possible that the barrel could be a carbine barrel.

A very clear photo of the barrel's muzzle area, showing the barrel "crown" and the front sight attachment, would help with identification.

A carbine barrel measures exactly 22 inches from muzzle to closed 'Bolt-face'. (A cleaning rod is used to take this measurement).

It appears you have at least four extra holes in your Krag's  Springfield Armory Receiver.

The rear-sight Leaf, Eye-Piece, and base appear to be a model 1898 sight.

I have copied and reduced a couple of your photos.

I have put 'arrows' to indicate extra holes that are not Official. If these holes are threaded, they were likely for some unknown 'scope-mount'.

The Armory markings appear to have been removed. I have put a long blue box where you might find a vestige of "Model 1898    Springfield Armory".
The rear blue box is where the serial number was located. I think I see a faint vestige of a number.
The upper blue box is where "U.S." was stamped.
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Reply #22 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 2:54am
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I have a '98 rifle.  Both front and rear sights are taller on the rifle but are very similar otherwise.

The barrels are both tapered and the muzzles are identical in diameter as far as I can tell without trying to find my micrometer.  Both muzzles are crowned identically.

I don't see any evidence of sanding.  Either you are seeing the effect of the light I was shining while the picture was being taken or I just can't see it.

The barrel is very close to 22".
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 3:05am
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Caribou- Look at your pictures at the grasping grooves and see how smooth and worn the edges are? (Posting reply #18 above) That's evidence of significant wear from sanding, most likely. Stocks were often sanded as part of refinishing. This detracts from appearance and value when looking at the condition of the stock overall.

I have included a picture for comparison of a Krag rifle stock that shows the edges of the grasping grooves almost new. They are clean and sharp.

The barrel has to be exactly 22 inches from the muzzle to the front of the closed bolt. Anything less than or more than 22 inches is an altered barrel. Check that carefully.
  
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Reply #24 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 3:23am
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There are four holes forward of the ejection port and two hole aft of the ejection port.  Decades of dry oil make it difficult to tell whether they are threaded.  45 years ago my cousin needed cash and sold the gun to Dad.  I have never seen a scope or mount on the gun but I have no idea if my cousin put a scope on it or whether previous owner did.  The holes are consistent with a scope mount.
  
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Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 3:38am
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Your 'family heirloom Krag' appears to have an original carbine barrel on it.

The carbine barrel is larger in diameter at the muzzle than the rifle barrel. (That's because the 30 inch rifle barrel continues to taper for 8 more inches).

The front base was dovetailed into the barrel and bronze brazed to the barrel at Springfield Armory. The contour was nicely 'blended in' to make an almost seamless attachment.

Your receiver marking may have been model 1898 or model 1899, before it was polished into oblivion.  Cry

BTW - Your present rear-sight is a model 1898 rifle sight. It should have the peculiar three 'sighting notches'.
  
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Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 3:50am
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I see what you mean about the grasping grooves.

The barrel is 22".  You had to make me go find that  didn't you Smiley.  I think the last time I used that was to measure a shotgun barrel.  I prefer the flexible cleaning kit.  Thanks guys I have learned a bunch.  I think I answered all your questions but if you have more or if I missed something let me know.
  
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Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 4:11am
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I have another project I could use a hand with.  I need a stock for a '98 rifle.  Where would be a good place to pick one up and what would be a fair price?  I recently picked up this rifle but it came without furniture.

While I had the cleaning rod out I fished out the paper towel from inside the butt stock. Dad hasn't used that gun in decades and I haven't opened the butt stock, probably ever.
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 4:28am
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I went back over the gun with a light and I enlarged the photo of that area and I see no vestige of any markings but you guys have already seen way more than I have.
  
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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 4:40am
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Stocks and hand-guards show up on eBay and GunBroker. Unfortunately, Krag wood is getting very pricey.

It is good to be patient, observe and hunt the internet, so you know a fair deal, when it presents itself. (Shipping costs are terrible).

It is real easy to put more money into a 'parts gun' than you can sell it for!
  
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