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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #30 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 3:00pm
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butlersrangers wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 12:08pm:
... IMHO - Just listing numbers is of little value. The context is much more interesting and the most valuable part of the story. "62nd Congress, Volume V" is kind of meaningless and confusing as a description. (Kind of like 'Cumberland Guard', when the real story was the destruction of Krags at a U.S. Depot).

"Knute1" found a record of 60 Krag rifles with a very interesting context. These rifles don't seem to appear in SRS data, but would have, if Mallory had known about the record.
"Knute1" should be credited for finding this obscure 'official record'.


The same observation can be said of Mr. Mallory's (PBOH) work.  All he gives is the sn, model, date, and usage.  How much more interesting would it be if his book was published in the time of the internet in an expanded database?  I would love to see his source books just to read a sampling of those times.  It is like Mr. Farmer (PBOH) alludes to in his book on the workings and mindsets of the those old guys.

I think Knute has received credit by virtue of his post.

There is a certain mindset when anyone checks in Mallory's (PBOH) book like "Oh, I checked in Mallory and...".  Well why not have the same thing with KCA?  Such as:

"I checked in the KCA and their database says my rifle was listed in such and such publication 1933 and they had a link to it!"

KCA would be the premier place for Krags.  (it is now but let's take it world wide.)


  

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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #31 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 3:11pm
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What does "PBOH" mean?
  
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Reply #32 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 3:12pm
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #33 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 3:27pm
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I think we are all on to something. Kind of exciting. Hope we all follow through and have a great product in the end. Much more research, much more data from others.
  
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #34 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 5:00pm
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I would certainly like KCA to be regarded as The source for research and historic information about Krags on the internet.

I have wanted for quite a while for KCA to adopt and have printed or have a link to a listing that most agree on to be the best reference for manufacture date of any specific Krag serial number. I still don't know whom to trust for determining that fact, understanding, as we have stated many times, that many Krags were produced in a non-linear way at Springfield Armory.

How many different lists are there for serial number dates? I know I'm simple but I would still like KCA to agree which listing would be best for us to depend on!
  
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #35 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm
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That's the problem.  You would have to dive in full time in the Springfield Armory's records if they exist regarding the Krag production.  Or you would have to live in the National Archive for twenty years going through the microfilm or the original books and reports.  Or you would have to spend time praying that Archive.org or Google Books or whomever else digitalized the above sources and pray that you get lucky finding production documents that were probably purged in the 1950s.

I think the best we can do is the census and making KCA the premier Krag site. 

By the way.  Where do we get the European Krag production records?  Maybe KCA Detachment 1?


  

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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #36 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 6:59pm
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In my opinion, it would be best to focus KCA efforts on U.S. Krag arms.

William Brophy, in "The Krag Rifle", had Scandinavian authors write the chapters on Danish and Norwegian Krags. Serial numbers and production years are well organized.

'Gun Boards' has an active forum on The Krag Rifles of Norway, Denmark, and the U.S. The European contributors are knowledgeable and very helpful.

FWIW - I thought "PBOH" meant Pabst Beer Or Hamm's?
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #37 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 2:11pm
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I drank Pabst all the way through college. I could only drink Hamms if I was really thirsty, even though I was living in Wisconsin with all kinds of Hamms signs on taverns (especially up nort.)

If the Krag info was put into a file like Excel you can do a lot of things with it. It can be listed by serial numbers. You can do a sort by rifles and carbines and make another spreadsheet. You can put all kinds of notes in it, but leave it out on spreadsheets to keep a separate/simple list. Lots of variables. The more info the better.  It can be sorted out later and decided what the "public" can view. Maybe an email address for this forum that only a few have access to so that people can provide their info somewhat privately.

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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #38 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 5:47pm
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Mallory used some type of spreadsheet for his list in his book.  I used one also.
  

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Reply #39 - Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:05pm
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Thanks for starting the database

On my 1894 rifle serial number 308, I have SN "101" on the carrier and follower, and "50" on the side plate.  Any other numbered parts out there?

In addition, serial number "309" was posted earlier on this forum
  

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1894 US Krag rifle Serial NO: 309
Reply #40 - Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:08pm
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Jeremy T Garner, KCA forum member posted that he own's serial no: 309
  

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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #41 - Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:35pm
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I own 13905. Came to me "bobbed" otherwise as issued. Also: Firing pin is not squared
  
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #42 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 4:35am
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You're the one with the rare piece.  Most of the the 1894s have been upgraded with the ones that are tapered.  Even my near perfect 3140 does not have the squared lug.  Fig. 13, Item D

I wish I had my Farmer book.

See page 14 for the common version.

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And I would like to the first in line to say I'll buy it when you decide to sell the rifle.  Cheesy
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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #43 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:29am
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cquickel wrote on Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Thanks for starting the database

On my 1894 rifle serial number 308, I have SN "101" on the carrier and follower, and "50" on the side plate.  Any other numbered parts out there?

In addition, serial number "309" was posted earlier on this forum


I think Loading Gate, the left side plate, receiver and if I am not mistaken the Guide Lip were the numbered items.  You'll have to check in Joe Farmer's book. 

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Re: New Database for US Military 1892 / 1894 Krags
Reply #44 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 7:51pm
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1691      1894R      2002 05 05      
2663      1894R      2002 05 11      
7623      1894R      2002 06 18      
8XX3      1894R      2002 05 11      screw holes in serial number
37208      1896R      2002 06 06      No Model/Model ?
37432      1896R      1898 00 00      Co. B, 1st USV Eng.   No Model/Model ?
37433      1896R      2002 06 06      No Model/Model ?
37445      1896R      1898 00 00      Co. B, 1st USV Eng.   No Model/Model ?
76949      M1898R      1899 00 00      Troop A, 1st Nev. Volunteer Cav.
76970      M1898C      2002 04 14      Carbine?
76988      M1898R      1899 00 00      Troop A, 1st Nev. Volunteer Cav.
170989      M1898R      1899 07 15      26th USV Inf
170990      M1898R      2002 05 07      
174707      M1899C      2002 05 07      
183923      M1898R      2002 05 16      
186180      M1898R      1898 00 00      Co. K, 10th Ohio Vol. Inf.
186285      M1898R      2002 05 07      
200129      M1898R      2002 05 23      
227420      M1899C      2002 04 23      
230747      M1899C      2002 04 14      
291279      M1898R      2002 05 07      
376534      M1898R      2002 05 22      
470599      M1898R      2002 05 07      
  

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